this forum isnt about anything except patricias idea. the rest of it is where it belongs - in the past.

have you tried patricias energy water? please do so and post your experience.

Okay,

First, I started this string on John E. for one reason and one reason only. He ripped off my parents, and he pissed me off with his attitude.

Now, I am a scientist as well. I have been working in big pharma for 15 years. I thought this machine was a waste of money before they bought it. I admit it.

My parents listened to his talk, and shelled out the $1700. John promised to send the pages of proof with the machine. The machine arrived with a broken light, so my parents called and they made them buy the light (never been used yet), but they believed his story. They got this UV light, and started drinking the water. NOTHING. The pool and spa; we made and dumped hundreds of gallons of water into this 45,000 gallon pool. John told us it would only take several gallons. We did HUNDREDS of gallons. We live in Florida, so we did it in the winter (no one was swimming in the pool. The pool turned green. I'm sorry John E., it did. Now when we told him of this with the spa, he told us we'd done it wrong, and we needed to empty it first, and then put in the magic water. So we did as instructed. It is funny; he didn't ask us to empty 45,000 gallons out of the pool for it to work in there. Now, we have all the bells on the filter system for this pool. It does not work.

My father’s prostate is fine, according to his MD, so that was not the reason for the purchase. It was for health and to avoid the use of chlorine in the pool, and John E. knew this when he sold it to my parents.

I am sorry if anyone was offended by my language in my posts.

As for selling the machine, we don't use it any longer. My mother wishes to keep it in the attic. I have told her a couple of you have offered her $100 for it. She wants to keep the damn thing. After all her trouble, if you'd like to call her nasty names, go ahead. She has lots of other crap I’m going to have to toss out when they leave this life, so the Ellis crap will be one more I’ll put out. It’s her 1700 to store if she pleases, so NO, she is not interested, and NO $100 is not repayment for $1700. If she wants to use it for a bed pan some day, then that is her prerogative.

I am not ashamed of my postings. I say what I feel, and know to be true.

Those who have been helped, Fantastic!!! I have said it before, good for you, and I am glad you are happy with John E. and his machine. That must be great not only for your prostate, but your mental health as well. My parent’s mental health was the reason I started this. They felt ripped off, and I talked to John E. myself, and he belittled them. No one does that to my parents without paying something. This string of true statements of John E. was payment for his attitude and belittlement of my good parents. It was also my way of telling John E. to FO. Yes, I know, I show such little class with my four letter words. Thanks, I still have a mother to let me know.

I put his water on the mass spec at work. Just so everyone knows.....nothing special in his water. Tried several other sophisticated methods on instrumentation that I know is validated and calibrated to perform this testing. I work with instrumentation that has to be run under GLP’s, GMP’s and ISO 9002. I do work for a large pharmaceutical company and am a scientist with the education to perform this testing. That is beside the point, and I didn’t bring it up before now because it didn’t matter. We wanted our money back because his machine didn’t do what we bought it for. It’s that simple. If my father bought it for his prostate, and it worked I would be very happy to give my parents the cash. I almost did just that, but they would have known, and I’d have been in some water I didn’t want to be in. They can afford to lose the cash, but they work from principle, and it’s probably why the have the money to purchase items like this in the place.

I will turn this string over to the rest of you. Beat me up if you want. Buy John E. another vacation house for his little sweetie. I hope your prostates shrink, and your health is well. I won’t post anything more in the future, but will just check in and read.
I have accomplished what I set out to do. I stopped several of you from making the same mistake my folks did. I can’t help or convince everyone and its not my responsibility too. Read the string, buyer beware! John E., I still hope you turn up rotting under some infected rock. You deserve nothing less.

bludini

Leigha,

I read your post. I don't see how your post makes mine untrue.

First, I am so happy I was able to save someone the pain of purchasing John's machine, several people, and I'm very happy for that.
Second, I was offered a hundred bucks for the thing, not 1700. Look, if I choose to keep it to remind me not to fall for a scam AGAIN, then its really up to me, not YOU.
Just because I didn't want to dig through my attic and spend anymore of my time does not make John E. and his machine a good thing.
Third, I admit I offended others, and apologized for it, so BACK OFF.

Now, if you want to dump 1700 buck of your money into his machine, you are completely free to do so. Just as I am completely free to warn people about my dealings with Mr. John E..

I am not trying to discredit any good sound science. Yes, he told me that it would keep my pool clear, as well as my spa, and it didn't. I have a problem with his claim that I am drinking others fecal material, and diseases. He seems to forget how most water comes to earth in the first place. Evaporation!! It rains, runs down the stream, and into lakes and rivers, as well as into the ground. How does the nasty fecal material just go floating up through the clouds?

PLEASE go to his web site http://www.JohnEllis.com and show me the Science or even a good reason to buy the machine. If you call him, he'll make all kinds of claims he is not willing to put into words on his web site. Call, ask, you will see. Challenge him on his claims, and you will quickly see that if you aren't ready with your VISA card number, he doesn't want to talk past that. In fact, tell him up front you’re not going to buy a machine, but you want information from him. He won't give you the time of day unless its followed by the expiration date on your card.

Am I bitter, and hate the guy. Not anymore. I will continue to check back and do what I can to help people keep their money from this guy.

I didn't buy the machine because I was unhealthy, or my prostate, or because I was worried about getting what some cave man had that killed him. I just wanted to keep my pool and spa free of as many chemicals as I could, and he claimed he has an Olympic sized pool they swim in and it only has a few gallons of his water in it, and nothing else, and its just "Crystal Clear". That is a joke, just as his claim that a few gallons can just clean up a lake, or well. If it is true, we would only need a few hundred of these machines, and we could buy the water buy the gallon and make beer from Rocky Mountain water.

I have challenged several people with the machine to call Mr. Ellis, and listen to his pitch, and ask for the info he claims he'll send you. He won't!!

If you put in an order and have a problem with it, good luck to you. The good old boy on the phone turns really nasty once he's got your money. If you think my foul mouth offended you, just call Mr. Ellis with a problem. You will go round and round with him, and end up with no resolution. I can tell you he will end up hanging up on you. He just "is so busy and has no time to discuss any sort of problem."

I have a very long history in science, and with alternative medicine. I believe in it, and thus the reason for shelling out the 1700 buck for the water machine. If I didn't, do you think I would have bought it in the first place.

Yes, I was very upset, and used some bad language. SORRY!!! I'm confident its nothing you haven't heard before, and it doesn't excuse my ignorance in using four letter words to describe Mr. Ellis and his snake oil machine.


I hope everyone is well. Try the wire and battery, that's only a few bucks, and it has been claimed a hundred times on this site to be every bit as good. Just don't make John rich from parts you can buy at Wal Mart.

Again, for the fourth time, I apologize for my language, it did show my ignorance. So, for those who want to discredit me for that, and because I choose to keep the machine (which I do not use), after all, I did buy it!!! Since I am so against it, I would really be a hypocrite to re-sell it, or even give it away to someone else, and I'd be a jerk just like John. False hope is no way to help people, and making money from it is far worse then any "BAD WORDS" I wrote or my refusal to sell MY (remember that, it's mine) snake oil wonder water machine.


Bludini

To be fair, the original guy who complained wanted it to keep his pool and spa clear but it apparently did not work for him. I do not know anything except the basics about science. If a claim is made about permanently clearing the water in your pool, spa or well, then that is what I would expect.

I have one of the older living water machines and I have never tried it for anything other than drinking. The machine is not plug and play, it does take some tweaking to get the output correct. But when it is putting out correctly, it is the best tasting water I have ever drank. When I first start the machine, it takes me about 30 to 45 minutes to get the output runnin right. But when I do, and test the water on a TDS meter, it always reads 000 . My tap water constantly reads 065.

We plan on getting a pool this year and I will try some of the water in it to see if this will work and report bac in a few months on taht. Mine does not have the ozone bulb on it. But when I got mine, the website still mentioned it would keep water clean without added chemicals. We will see.

Bludini
BEWARE OF BEWARE BLOGS GREAT WATER GREAT MACHINE< GOOD MAN John E.
I'm not in it for the money. Its a a shame you unable to put your money wher your mouth is and pay 1500 for a machine.. So just go ahead and trash a man who has sold these for 30 years. Those of us who live on the water feel sorry for you and realize you have issues. At 15 for 3 gallons of water 10 for jars 30 for shipping how in the hell can anyone get rich? At least someone has the guts to try the machine before trashing it. I have sold 4 cases on cure zone. I'm rich now I can retire.Its a pain in the ass to ship and pack glass, especially when UPS drops it from a 10 story building and I have to ship it twice. DO YOU WORK FOR UPS////?? I sell it to guys like you who want to try it before buying. Thank god a few do try it before trashing. BEWARE you say. OF WHAT? Boiled Clean WATER. Down here in NEW Orleans Clean water might kill you if you are not used to it.!! If you bought a machine and feel disgruntled I will give you 300 bucks for it.You only lost 1400. I like guys like you. I have lots of machines. Not bad for something that is worthless. Good luck. God Bless the American Way g