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Kateryna
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My daughter (11years), started to feel pain in different part of stomach a few weeks ago. We came to the hospital, they made urina test, blood test and ultrasound. All parameters of the tests were normal, but first they told ultrasound shows that in goldbladder 'may be stones'. Today we came and a new doctor told we need 'urgent bladder removal'. I told it awful for 11years old to start her life with this operation, could we use another method of treatment. The doctor answered- 'it is good for her-let's make the operation urgent- it help her for the rest of her life, if we wait her whole body can be infected, it is normal to make this - if she were 80 years old I would use another treatment, but your daughter can survive the operation etc' sorry for bad english, could somebody suggest what to do in this situation. It happens in Canada
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- Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... flowerchild59
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This is a reply to # 466,091I feel awful for you and your daughter to be pressured into something like a gallbladder surgery. There are natural alternatives available. I include a link on the liver cleanse frequently asked questions. I recommend you do one of the easier ones, like the Hulda Clark cleanse. I would cut down on the Epsom Salts though to one tsp (5 ml) rather than one tablespoon (30ml) per dose if she is tiny.
What is the weight of your daughter? Does she move her bowels easily and regularly? Tell us more about her situation.
//www.curezone.org/cleanse/liver/
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- Hulda Clarks clense is the solution Rusfox
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MoreThis is a reply to # 466,091So sorry to hear that your daughter has problems.
She needs to do Hulda Clark s liver clense as soon as possible. I am sure it will help!
Reduce Epsom Salt (magnesium sulphate)dose in the recipe to tea spoon per glass water and don't worry about Ornithin, it is not necessary.
Meanwhile Epsoms salts can be used to ease gall bladder pains. Mix table spoon of salts in a glass of water and give it to your daughter. You may squeeze a little of fresh lemon juice into it to improve taste a little.
You can join your daughter and flush your liver too. It can only do you both good and you will feel what is going on.
Don't listen to the doctor, I think he is sick to push her into the operation.
Read, read and read here. There is plenty of information on this site. Check FAQ forum!
- Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... Amazed
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This is a reply to # 466,091Dear Kateryna,
I really feel for you and your daughter, I am a young woman and was told the same . . . 'with your next attack we are going to take out your gallbladder and hope it works.' Well I took that attack and struggled for 2 weeks with pain refusing to go to the hospital. I began researching natural ways of cleansing the gallbladder. When I started vomitting I knew my time was running out for trying something other than surgery, so I went ahead and did Dr. Hulda Clark 's cleanse. 15 minutes into the cleanse (that is after the first dose of Epsom Salts ) the pain stopped. I passed 250+ stones and haven't had any pain at all since.
I definately agree with flowerchild, I think your daughter should try Dr. Clarks cleanse with a few alterations. Post more info on your daughters weight, severity of symptoms etc . . . is she vomitting and such? Is she constipated? THERE ARE BETTER WAYS THAN SURGERY!!! MUCH BETTER WAYS!!!
There are lots on this forum that want nothing better than help you and your daughter. Your daughter may be able to do the cleanse as early as tomorrow night.
I have heard that taking a smaller dose of Epsom Salts in juice or water can stop the symptoms for a while. Maybe someone else out there can add to this.
Good luck and keep us all posted on how thing go.
Amazed
- Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... vtool
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This is a reply to # 466,091Hi,
Another great suggestion is to get some Gold Coin Grass, and start having her take this immediately. This will help dissolve the stones. You can get this in Canada from www.sensiblehealth.com Julia, who made this site, is in Canada, and well researched the gallbladder problem. I encourage you to read over this also, thoroughly.
The Liver Flushing is excellent. It would also be wise to have her do the Bowel Cleanse (Dr. Shulze Instestinal Formula 1 & 2 call 1-800-Herb-Doc or go to http://www.800herbdoc.com/
If she continues to have stomach or digestive problems, you may wish to research more what is the cause of her gallstones, or when she flushes them with the liver flush, take them to some open minded doctor, and insist upon lab tests on the stones. This is just an idea, but be very cautious of doctor's treatments, as they are officially the third leading cause of death in the U.S.A. according to JAMA, their own official publication.
Julia Chang's site, and the link here at Curezone on Liver Flushing are excellent information sources for you. Another great digestive herb is Cat's Claw, if your daughter has more digestive troubles. The best source for this is Pacific Botanicals.
You need to discover the cause, becuase cutting out the gallbladder will not stop liver stones from forming again in the future!!! People who have had gallbladders removed have still flushed stones! Gallbladder removal is NOT the answer - rather, doing the gentle flushes, and Gold Coin Grass, bowel cleansing, and avoiding certain foods - proper diet for her body chemistry and blood type IS the answer.
I hope this helps. It's so insane that some Doctor's are so ignorant, and that themselves are the official number 3 cause of death. Prescription drugs are number 4, and that is just from reported deaths, not including deaths from prescriptions unreported or not found out about.
Also, your daughter doesn't need the scar, the trauma, and she will do better performing these natural remedies, effective remedies, and getting to the root or cause - DIET!
Best of luck - you've come to the right place for support - - Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... vtool
21 y
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This is a reply to # 466,091"Details of the procedure I used to flush out Gallstones is described in Gallbladder flush and gallstone treatment - alternatives to gallbladder surgery . An important difference between my procedure and that of many other flush procedures is that I use the Chinese herbal tincture Gold Coin Grass (GCG) (available from Prime Health Products , Tel: 416-248-2930) to soften and crush the Gallstones before flushing. This makes the flushing easier, more efficient and complete, especially for larger stones. Many people actually experience pain relief already from using Gold Coin Grass (GCG) (botanical name: Herba Lysimachiae, Chinese sound translation: Chin-chien Tsao)." www.sensiblehealth.com
Aren't the Canadians cool people?
:)- Re: Vtool here is a link to another ... Kreeson
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- Re: Vtool here is a link to another ... vtool
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This is a reply to # 466,112thank you! I have put that link in my favorites, and am looking over the site.
- Re: Vtool here is a link to another ... vtool
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- Re: Vtool here is a link to another ... Kreeson
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- Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... just_peachy
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This is a reply to # 466,091Excellent advice in the previous posts. The liver and the gallbladder work together and what helps the liver helps the gallbladder.
Also, make sure she drinks a LOT of fresh, filtered, pure WATER. Don't let her have soft drinks/colas and Sugar added or artifically sweetened fruit drinks, and limit other drinks like tea (except a little green tea.)
Many herbs help strengthen the liver (and the kidneys, which also help 'flush' toxins out.) Some have been mentioned in other posts, other really good ones are burdock and dandelion as well as sassafras, sarsaprilla, cinnamon, ginger, turmeric, and licorice (not the anise flavored "licorice candy'.) Just remember that all herbs should be taken in moderation and that children especially should not take large doses or take any for more than a week at a time without 'resting' at least 3 or 4 days off. Maybe find some good herbal teas and switch them out every 3 or 4 days. You can also add many of the herbs to your regular foods, like ginger and turmeric.
If it's available to you, see if you can give her as much Watermelon as she can eat. It's wonderful for helping the kidneys and bladder and may help eliminate some toxins that are bothering her.
Try to make sure she gets a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables and whole grains and limit or completely eliminate the toxic chemicals that get added to foods as supplements or flavor enhancers.
Good luck and I hope your daughter gets well soon!
- Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... Spirit
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This is a reply to # 466,091
Kateryna,
whenever making an important decision, always consult more then one expert.Even better, when decision is about a surgery, an irreversible and potentially dangerous procedure, then you should first try every available alternative.
And, be aware that doctors are the last people you should ask about alternatives! Not only that most of them don't know about alternative medicine, but if they even show an interest, they risk loosing everything: job, respect, and even a license to practice medicine. They risk being labeled a "quack", and being excluded from the medical community. Life of many good doctors have been destroyed because they simply wanted the best for their patients.
Think about doctor the same way you would think about highly skilled and paid salesman. For every person he sends to surgery, or to any other expensive therapy, he gets bonus from his employer. But, if he even think about discussing some other "product", something that "competitors" are promoting, he risks loosing his job, his reputation, his friends, and the license to sell, including a license to kill.
What can you do for your daughter?
Read!Do!
Do a liver flush yourself, before she does it! Why? Experience is very important factor in liver flushing. If you, as someone without any flushing experience, are the one to help your daughter, it would be as blind leading blind.
With a single flush experience, you will know so much more, you will understand so much more, and you will be able to be there for her when she is flushing.
Reading will give you the knowledge which is necessary for making decisions.
You should know that there is a way to flush gallstones, pain-free, safe, and effective.
Considering that she is only 11, chances are more then excellent that a single flush will be enough. But, to be on the safe side, she will have to repeat the flush at least once ... like 14 days later.
Many kids have done this flush, with no problems. A friend of mine, Lillian, has 5 kids, and 3 of her kids have done liver flush, youngest the age of 9.
Be aware that liver flush is not only used in case of gallstones, it is used for curing and preventing: allergies, digestion problems, constipation, frequent diarrhea, asthma, eczema, psoriasis, acne, diabetes, hair loss, ...
By following the next links, you will find all the information that you need, and you will find numerous stories on kids and
cleansing. Please read it! Your daughter will thank you one day.Read the recipe: Liver flush recipe (Hulda Clark)
Few guidelines:
- Kids don't have to lay immediately after drinking olive oil!
- Recipe should be adjusted by weight:
Liver flush recipe (Hulda Clark) is designed for an average adult person that weight 140 - 160 lbs (65 - 75 kg). If your daughter is 70 lbs (30 kg), then she should take a half of the amount given in recipes. If she is closer to 110 lbs (50kg) then she may take 3/4 of the recipe. - Kids are usually stronger then adults, when it comes to cleansing. They usually take it far easier.
- The only age limit is your ability to make child drink epsom salt, and olive oil mixture. That is why I have never heard of someone dojbg a flush on 7 years old kid, but from 8 and up it was easy.
- To make epsom salt taste better, mix it with freshly pressed grapefruit juice, instead of mixing it with water.
- To make olive oil taste good, add more juice, and bland it well just before drinking.
- You can also follow all those guidelines when flushing yourself.
- Ornithine is not very important when flushing.
- You can flush before doing parasites cleanse, most people do it that way.
- Do not skip epsom salt, it helps by relaxing bile ducts, it promotes diarrhea, and diarrhea is very importat, it helps carry stones out quickly.
- Enema before and after flush is good, but not necessary for everybody! It usually makes flush more succesfull.
- Sleeping during the night is not imperative, but it usually makes flush easier. It is important to stand-up in case you feel nausiated, burping helps prevent vomiting.
- Kids are more likely to vomit during the flush.
- Even if you vomit during the night, flush still may be succesfull! Continue the flush by drinking epsom salt in the morning!
Read complete discussion threads, at least the first 5 links:
- Children! .... Can Children cleanse liver and gallbladder?
- SURGERY!!! Reasons needed for avoiding gallbladder removal?
- FEAR! ... I am afraid to do cleanse ? Help me ?
- SUCCESS! Stories - Curing Diseases With Liver Flush?
- DOCTOR! ... positive feedback from their doctors about doing liver flush?
- Dyeing to know the answer!!!!!!
- Has anyone had an ultrasound before & after a cleanse and had positive results?
- INFLAMED GALLBLADDER ... Can I flush liver/gallbladder?
- Liver Flush - Quackery or Reliable Remedy?
- EPSOM SALTS? What are Epsom Salts ? Magnesium Sulfate Heptahydrate?
- ORNITHINE? What is Ornithine?
- CITRUS ALLERGY ... Can I use non-citric fruit juice when doing flush?
- CALCIFIED STONES? Is there anyone who flushed calcified stones?
- Can oil that we drink, lubricate bile ducts?
- Nursing a newborn and doing a flush?
- ANALYZED STONES - GALLSTONES? ... Liver Stones being analyzed?
- ATTACK ! ..HELP! Gallstones Attack! Pain ... What can I do?
- ATTACK! .... Can I suffer gallstones attack while doing liver cleanse?
- bowel cleanse first before gall bladder flush?
- Herbs to help the cleanse to be more successful?
- Pregnancy! ... Which is the safest gallbladder cleanse during pregnancy?
- sixteen year old daughter stuck stone!
- STONE STUCK in duct ... Can the flush help?
- SIZE? How big is Gallbladder? How much bile can Gallbladder hold?
- OILS? ... Can I use some other oil?
- How Gallstones Are Formed?
- Colors? ... Gallstone Colors ? What do the colors indicate?
- Diabetes! ... Is it safe for Diabetics to do liver cleanse?
- Has anyone here completely cleaned out their liver from stones?
- How do we know that stones are formed inside liver?
- Liver stones or just some formations of oil mixed with body juices?
- liver supplements-capsules or extract?
- NO FLUSH! Can you get stones out without flushing liver?
- NO GALLBLADDER! ... where did this stone come from? I don't have gallbladder?
- Olive Oil and Malic Acid Questions?
- SAFETY ????
- SICK? COLD? Should I cleanse when I have a cold?
- What do I use to break up stones before flush?
- What happened to the 1/2 cup of olive oil that I drank the night before?
- What is biliary sludge?
- What will the liver/gallstone flush look like in the toilet?
- Will removal of gallbladder get rid of intrahepatic stones?
Best of health
SpiritStones - Images of stones - Liver cleansing
- Wow Spirit! Thanks for posting so m... Amazed
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- official medicine- moral issues Kateryna
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This is a reply to # 466,109Dear Spirit,
My opinion the doctor should not be a salesman even bacause of the oath to help other people they are supposed to give.
And also if I understand correctly the goldbladder stone issue is not only about alternative medicine.
For example yesterday being in shock I called my relatives from the Ukraine (I am naturalized canadian with ukrainian roots)
They contacted immediately their friends doctors (my mom-in-law i.e. worked all her life as a nurse in a hospital).
The first responce of proffesional doctors from a small village and from child hospital in Kiev- SHOCK!
Even in the Ukraine with total corrupt medical system they use very precise ultrasound test to determine size, density of the stones,
also to exclude the possibility that instead of stone there is a specific substance there (I do not know the english version of it- direct
translation from ukrainean- 'clay'). If there are stones they have special machines which cleave the stones. All doctors
asked not to allow the operation- 'DO NOT DESTROY LIFE OF YOUR DAUGHTER'
The question is- 'Why Dr.Chao from CHEO hospital, Ottawa did not inform us about all alternatives which are known for official
medicine, did not inform us about the consequence of the goldbladder removal'? I believe these issues are on the border
of acceptable relationship doctor-patient.
Kateryna - thanks Spirit incredibly helpful pos... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 466,109esp the 3rd one down/ FEAR building up Epsom Salt tolerance.
Idon't think I will have problems with the oil/ since i love oiliv eoil anyhow
but i am just plain balky about salted drinks...
I think i willuse the method on that fear thread and see howit goes
thansk again
Ami B.
- Thanks everybody for the response Kateryna
21 y
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This is a reply to # 466,091Thanks everybody for the response,
She has 40kg weights, has no problems with moving her bowels, has not very bad appetite. She experienced strong pain in the middle of the night 2 weeks ago. It lasted 2 hours. Then the pain started again 4 and 3 days ago. we went to the Central Hospital of Eastern Ontario, Ottawa. The pain was not localised at any specific place of the stomach but was enough strong.
The doctors did as I wrote urina, blood and ultrasound test. All time she had normal temperature. With ultrasound at that time they were not sure if she has stones, they told it looks as 'there is something'. All other tests were normal. The pain lasted 4 hours that last time.
Then doctors sent us home because she was 'in normal conditions'. One doctor also told us it is unlikely something wrong with her goldbladder because she 'can eat french fries' they gave her but a surgeon told that the problem is stones but her state is stable and we must go home and gave us an appointment today.
Then we were at hospital today at appointment at surgical department. 1st surgeon told that he is not sure what couses the pain, also he mentioned 'if we perform sugery, remove goldbladder we are not sure if it helps'. The second surgeon told more definitely 'we must perform the removal surgery as soon as possible'. I express my view that such radical surgery must be performed if there is no other ways of treatment.
The surgeon told there are no alternative,this operation is 'nothing serious', it will be 'helpful' for the rest of her life. I asked her to make an appointment with gastrologists, to make other type of tests in order to clarify the situation with diagnosis. The answer was- it is no necessary, ' I give you a refferal' but then we were told that the list for other doctors is very long- and if nobody call us in 2 weeks we must call back. The surgeon also told 'we must decide with the operation as soon as possible'
Actually I wrote this text in order to show my feeling at that time- the situation with my daugter is terrible wrong.
After reading your website I realised that I am in totally wrong situation with this CHEO hospital surgeons. Actually they chose the most cruel way of my daugter treatment rejecting a possibility of any other way of treatment.
Thanks again to everyone who answered!
Kateryna.- Re: Thanks everybody for the respons... Canada woman
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This is a reply to # 466,111Kateryna, I'm so sorry for your little girl... but if at all possible, please follow Spirit's advice. Do a Liver Flush yourself and then help your daughter flush her liver. As I've stated on other posts here, if I knew then what I know now.. I'd still have my gallbladder! I had no idea about Liver Flushes when mine was removed when I was 24 years old. I have done 5 Liver Flushes and removed hundreds of stones & junk from my liver. Doing this can only improve your daughter's condition and your own health. May God bless you both.
- Re: Thanks everybody for the respons... Canada woman
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- Re: Urgent, advice needed- a doctor ... flowerchild59
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