Chinese Bitters & progesterone cream... 
dianna11
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Greetings!
Last Tuesday and bought Chinese Bitters and Fem Mate from sensiblehealth.com. I feel like both are working because of the detox headache and the moodiness. Oddly, I'm seeing both of these as a very good sign!
I am planning a Liver Flush (my 6th) for Saturday night ( I hope this isn't too soon after taking the bitters)
I was wondering if using a natural progesterone cream in addition to the Fem Mate (and Chinese Bitters) would interfere, or hinder the effect.
Since all of my hormone levels are extremely low (pre-pubescent levels) and I have done everything (flushes, candida cleansing, balancing, parasite cleansing etc. acupuncture, reiki, obviously fixing my diet and exercise levels, taking all the proper suppliments, EFA's and a bunch of stuff that I forgot to mention already) over the past 18 months to get them working again, I want to give them a good kick start, since I am hoping to get pregnant in the next 6 months.
I would appreciate your opinion on this, what do you think - Chinese bitters, Fem Mate & natural progesterone cream is over kill -yes/no?
Regards,
Dianna
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Hi Dianna!
Okay, from what I know about hormones, the progesterone cream IS overkill.
As you've learned, the liver is responsible for metabolizing and regulating hormones. So a healthy liver means healthy hormones. Yippee! Also, I'd wait awhile before doing another flush (stresses liver) and see what the herbs do for you first - give them at least 2-4 weeks if you can, and DO eat a liver-supporting diet!!!!!!!!! :) (see www.liverdoctor.com for that)
The cream is a version of hormonal replacement therapy (HRT), isn't it? If it is, then you should read up on this. I've been reading up on it as I'm reaching that age when it becomes an issue, and I refuse to do it. When you give the body something it can make for itself, it tends to STOP making it. It manufacturers fewer precursors to the hormone and thus you need more HRT and it becomes a vicious cycle.
If you Google HRT etc. you'll find that old data says to do it, new data says not to.
HOpe that helps! :)
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This is a reply to # 347,339Well, it's a natural progesterone cream containing black cohosh and wild yam and you apply it topically instead of taking it orally, so it doesn't have to be processed through the liver as directly.
My liver hasn't been processing hormones because there isn't any to process!
I also bought a product from sensiblehealth.com called "Fem-Mate" which contains vitex and a few other herbs that act on the adrenals to promote natural hormone production (crosses fingers) Since my body hasn't produced any hormones on it's own in 2 years (maybe more, I was on the pill for 15 years) I am wondering if an extra 'push' may help.
I will hold off on the Liver Flush though although I haven't done one for about 3 months. I want to give the Chinese herbs a chance to work a bit. I didn't realize that the flushes are hard on the liver (duh). I guess it's like running is hard on the lungs, but you reap the benefits once you rest afterward :)- Re: Chinese Bitters & progesterone c... shelleycat
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I think the Fem-Mate sounds like a gREAT idea. Did you get a chance to speak to Julia personally? She often speaks to customers and gives them great tips about what to do. I can't think of a better resource for someone with hormonal issues, either! :)
Best of luck and let us know how it goes! :)- Re: Chinese Bitters & progesterone c... dianna11
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This is a reply to # 347,371Yep, I went to the store in person to buy the products. It sounded like she didn't have experience with estrogen/progesterone *deficiency*, mostly hormone problems due to estrogen dominance. That's why I was curious about using natural progesterone cream so there are at least *some* hormones to cycle through the liver, since mine hasn't seen ANY in over 2 years!
Most menstrual/hormonal trouble has to do with the later and my situation is pretty unique in that even though I'm 29, I don't produce ANY hormones. Normal weight, exercise level, PCOS free, etc etc etc. This is why I'm trying so many different things. It's getting so frustrating because I want to get pregnant soon and I don't have much of a chance as is.
p.s. I really like this new feature that notify's you by e-mail when someone has responded!
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This is a reply to # 347,376I love that e-mail feature too! I don't know why some people leave it turned off! :)
Hmmm.. okay, let's do some research. Now, there are a lOT of hormones in the body. Do you know exactly which ones you are lacking? Because if I have a list, I can look up the pre-cursors to the hormone, etc. For instance, thyroid hormone is started by TSH which activates T4 into T3 which takes place in the liver, thus, low thyroid usually means congested liver. Seratonin needs trytophan, etc.- Re: Chinese Bitters & progesterone c... dianna11
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Hey, we've turned this into a chat - cool!
I'm low on *everything* estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, testosterone, DHEA, FSH, LH, leptin, ghrelin, basically all of the sex hormones - I'm hormonally equivalent to a 9 year old girl. The precurser to all of this is the GnRH pulse that happens in the hypothalamus - hence "hypothalamic amenorrhea" (absense of menstruation originating in the brain) This was from overexercise and underfeeding. I was 102 pounds (5'3") and exercising like a maniac AND on birth control, my body fat was down to levels of an athletic male. I have been at a healthy weight (and then some) with a doctor apporved exercise regime, properly balanced diet and a liver that has been through 6 flushes so far. I have had 6 specialists shrug their shoulders at me stating that although my hormones shut down because of the weight, low bodyfat and exercise routine, they "should have come back by now - at least a sign of them" ugh. It's kind of flaky, but I went to a clairvoiant who has accurately predicted health problems (as well as many life events) - and works with the Toronto police dept. (very gifted lady). She has told me that she doesn't fully understand it, but she says that it's about my liver right now "All I see is bile, heal your liver and you will get pregnant". That's the most help and direction I have gotten so far, so I'm working with that.- Re: Chinese Bitters & progesterone c... shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 347,378Interesting!
I'd trust the psychic myself - but then, I'm biased, as I've worked as a psychic LOL!
I read up on the hypothalamus et al and it seems anythign you do for that issue is a kind of HRT which only hurts you over time. :( You may want to take licorice and gotu kola for about two weeks, as you probably need just a few estrogenic tonics to make up for all that exercise.
So focusing on the liver, besides the Chinese Bitters and flushes, have you done/taken anything else? I like to recommen a complex of B vitamins, MSM, Lecithin, and also herbs such as Bupluerum, Dandelion, Milk Thistle, but the Bitters should be fine for that. What about the Coptis (inceases bile) or Curcoma (sp?) that Julia has? Did you ask about those? Beets are also quite cleansing, but don't over do. :)
There's also a liver-supporting diet:
www.liverdoctor.com
I also get the feeling that the reason the exercise did you in so badly is because it was wrong for your blood type. I'm a Type 0, so strenuous, as long as it's for short periods, is great for me, but highly detrimental for the other blood types. Yoga is great for any blood type, and if you get the right teacher, isn't exactly the easy, boring yoga of yesteryear! It's quite continuous and really heats up the body. It will also help balance out your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, which is an issue for hypothal people.
Hope that helps! :)- Re: Chinese Bitters & progesterone c... dianna11
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Strangely, my diet has always been very liver supportive, even when I was underfeeding myself - my diet has always consisted of very healthy foods the liverdoctor diet basically describes how I have been eating.
I was also worried about the HRT over a long period of time. That's really interesting about the blood type - I have no idea what mine is! I have been in a study for the University of Toronto as a guinea pig for hypothalamic amenorrhea research, because I'm a rare case that doesn't have hormone function restored after weight gain, and while some women can exercise like I did and have extremely low body fat and be just fine, others like me can't. Their theory is that it could be a macronutrient that could be missing and your blood type observaition could be a really big part of it! I will read up on that over the next few days.
As for the suppliments you mentioned, the ones that aren't in the chinese bitters, are aall ones I am either taking in my food, or vitamins. I guess I'm on the right track. I guess I need to just give it time.
Thanks for all of your ideas, it's fun to chat with you!- Re: Chinese Bitters & progesterone c... shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 347,381It's been fun to chat with you too! Check back with us in a month or so and let us know how it goes. :)
Best of luck to you!
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