Help with ACID / ALKALINE PH results 
remi96
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Hello everyone
I have been trying to focus on becoming alkaline. When I got my test strips and tested I was 7.0 from midday on. From first thing in the morning varies from 6.25 - 6.50 until afternoon. According to what I have read these are pretty good numbers, but I still have a ways to go.
My question is does water affect this reading? I notice right after I drink a fair amount of water my alkalinity goes up. I wonder if my readings are correct. Because I never drink plain water, always with concentrace minerals added. Could it be possible that the 7.0 reading I am getting is because I am urinating out the minerals and possibly getting a faulty reading of 7.0.
Although my husband who was somewhat acid at about 6.0 the first day we checked wound up being 7.0 the very next morning , first urine of the day after drinking literally 64 ounces of water right before bed, without any minerals in it, just plain water.
Is this due to the fact of flushing out acid toxins?
How does water and or liquid minerals added to water effect ph.
Michelle
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This is a reply to # 300,970Hi remi96,
I will try to shine some lite on your questions.
First you need to understand that testing your urine and saliva are just tools to use to start seeing and understanding deeper ideas about how the body works!
Then one needs to begin to understand why a test is up or down, as you are now questioning!
Things are not what they might seem to be on the surface, and generally the truths are just opposite as one would first think!
With that said, let us consider what you have asked to understand.
Does water effect the readings? Yes it does!
Water in it's self is acid forming! It carries much Hydrogen with it , which causes acid formation, this is why one may drink much water and stop the problem of constipation, if a person has constipation!
Just one or two days of testing will tell little about a person , and so more data is better to have to make choices about ones condition, overall!
But if one test very acid in the morn before any food or drink, you may know there are problems!!
If a person is on a high protein diet, this may cover up a lack of Alkaline Minerals to begin with, for a short time, so one needs to figure out what is causing the test to be what it is!
If the urine is acid, below 7pH the first thing in the morn, and the more below 7pH , like if it is down below 6pH and below this, then one does not have enough Alkaline Mineral reserves to neutralize the excess body acids and over time these acids will eat away the body's bone structure and do more harm to the body!
These acids then will start to destroy the Kidneys and Liver and all the other organs which are trying to help protect the body from Sickness And Disease!
Because these organs are trying to remove these Toxins from the body, and if there is not enough Alkaline Minerals to keep these Toxins neutralized, then these organs have to deal with these excess acids as they try to protect the body from them, so it becomes a Deadly cycle of Life and Death for these organs to play!
How does water and added liquid minerals effect the pH? "IF" the Liquid Minerals are highly Alkalizing and this is added to the water in enough quanitly, then this will help the body recieve more of an Alkalizing effect, and help the body overcome it's problem of too much acids!
Now this statement needs to be qualified about the Liquid Minerals and if they are highly Alkalizing, as to the effect they will impart to the body!
This statement is stated as to taking into consideration that the Liquid Minerals are of the proper kind so as to provide the needed Electrical Energy Frequencies needed by the body and the body's organs!!
For if the liguid minerals are not of the kind which the body needs, then the long term condition of keeping the body Healthy or helping the body to recover may not then come about and the person may stay sick or get sick!!
For it all brings us back to the idea which I mentioned in the begining , as to the Fact that not all is as it may seem at first glance!!
For example, "IF" the body is short of the Electrical Energy Released from Calcium, and you take Baking Soda, the Baking Soda may temporarily raise your pH , but in the end the body may stay sick or get sicker!!
This is why it is better to learn to eat whole fresh fruits and vegetables which are grown in your climate and season, for these will provide your with the best balance of Alkaline Minerals for your body to get Healthy or to stay Healthy!
And just use the pH test to help you learn and guide you along the paths of better Health!
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18 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 300,977Hi moreless,
Just some questions as I'm unclear about some things you said:
"If a person is on a high protein diet, this may cover up a lack of Alkaline Minerals to begin with, for a short time, so one needs to figure out what is causing the test to be what it is!"
Wouldn't a person be MORE acidic because of a high protein diet? What do you mean "cover up the lack of alkaline minerals?" Do you mean a high protein diet would futher enhance the problem of lacking minerals because of the acid forming proteins?
"For if the liguid minerals are not of the kind which the body needs, then the long term condition of keeping the body Healthy or helping the body to recover may not then come about and the person may stay sick or get sick!!"
I'm unlcear, what do you mean here? Are you suggesting a person should get a mineral panel done to determine which minerals should be supplemented? Or are there only certain kinds of alkalizing minerals? Can you clarify?
Thanks
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This is a reply to # 300,996Hi obj,
In Bio-organic chemistry , which is what we are dealing with in the Human body, things do not work as they do in Just chemistry!
For in Bio-organic chemistry, what may seem to be , usually is not so, for there are many variables because we are dealing with Living changing Life forms , one may say!
Many people do not chose to study in the fields of Bio-organic chemistry because of it's complexity, for this is hard for the Human mind to comprehend , things which appear to be so , but are not so!
Now to your questions: Protein is a form of Nitrogen and Nitrogen is an Isotope!
An Isotope is something which may cause opposite reactions to take place, depending upon which isotope it is at the time and place!
In the case of protein, if it is of the isotope of ammonia, this is Alkaline forming and may cause the body to appear to be alkaline, and this would provide a false indicator that the body has a reserve of Alkaline Minerals on hand, when in fact the opposite may be true!
This isotope of ammonia is dependent upon there being sufficent acids of different kinds present to stop the OXYGEN and Calcium, because if there is enough Calcium and Oxygen present, then the isotope of ammonia will convert to the isotope of Nitrate which is acid forming and the pH will drop greatly in the body!!
So if the body is high in the isotope of ammonia, is is probably short of OXYGEN and Calcium!!
Oxygen and Calcium are much needed Alkaline Minerals or Alkaline elements needed by the body to stay Healthy!
All proteins will in the end cause the body to become more Acidic!!
So a person is generally better off to eat foods with less proteins and eat more foods which are Higher in complexed Carbohydrates which are Highly Mineralized and eat more fresh fruits and vegetables which are grown in season in your climate area!
This will provide you with the best chance to stay Healthy!
Higher amounts of Protein should only be eaten by those people who do high amounts of physical labor and thus breath in much more Oxygen than the normal person, so as to be able to help neutralize the Acids produced by the extra proteins!
Now about liquid minerals or about Alkalizing minerals: Calcium is a #1 Alkaline mineral needed by the body along with all kinds of trace minerals!
But Baking soda is also much higher in pH than Calcium is, and will neutralize much more acids than Calcium will, But the baking soda will not provide the Release of Electrical Energy needed by the body, which Calcium will, and because of this, one may raise the body's pH with baking soda ,but not with the correct Electrical Energies needed by the body to stay Healthy!!
So "IF" one choses to use a Liquid Mineral mixed by mankind, which is not of the proper Mineral mix that the body needs, then the results may be less than hoped for!!
So , again this is why it is best to get your Alkaline Minerals from plant sources which are higher in the Alkaline Minerals, for they will generally be of a better mix of the needed Alkaline Minerals for the body than if a company mixes up some mix for you to drink!
This is another reason I recommend using Blackstrap Molasses and Kelp as Alkaline Mineral sources, for they are both plant sources!
The Kelp as it is grown and the Blackstrap Molasses as it is concentrated down by the process of removing the refined sugars from the Alkaline Minerals in it!!
I hope this has provided some understanding for you on these subjects.
Smile Tis your choice.
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This is a reply to # 301,005Thank you moreless. Your info was very enlightening. I understand now.
I have another question.
Why would a person have trouble assimilating calcium? Why, instead of the Ca entering the cell, it gets stored as stones or crystals and lodge outside the cells in the tissues?
I have long read that Ca breaks down in an acid medium (arthritics use apple cider vinegar). But it seems that if a person is overly acidic, they only store the Ca as stones or crystals. (Kidney stones, crystals in the feet)
Can you make sense of this?
Thanks, obj
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This is a reply to # 301,034Hi obj,
I will try to explain about Calcium as best as possible.
One needs to understand that not everything is as it seems to be, this may be what is so hard for people to come to understand!
Now as about Calcium or may we say the stone deposits which are claimed to be from taking to much calcium, as some may claim to be.
A stone deposit may be when the body is too acidic and because of this problem, the body is unable to flush all of the excess Toxins out of the body, because there are not enough Alkaline Minerals to provide the proper Release of proper Electrical Energy in the proper Frequencies needed by the different organs of the body to keep them Healthy and thus they are not able to function properly and this allows for the body to not be able to provide the needed Electrical Energy of the proper Frequencies to rebuild the worn out cells of the different organs and this may lead to pockets of acids which then become neutralized by what ever Alkaline Minerals may be present and then they just set in the pockets of the body unable to be flushed out because the different organs are not functioning properly!
In other words it becomes an endless cycle of which came first , the chicken or the egg, for without one the other may not function properly!
In other words, if there is not the proper Energy to rebuild the worn out cells of the body, then the body starts a process of Decay and Disease!
This process allows for the body to go into a process of trying to protect it's self as a last effort to survive!
But because only part of the body is working and there is not enough Alkaline Mineral Energy being provided to rebuild the worn out cells, then only the process of protection is working, which means it is impossible to rebuild , only trying to save from the Excess Acids, and not enough energy to flush out the build up of Toxins!!
In other words if you sit on the toilet and do your business, but do not have or take the energy to turn the flush lever to flush the waste into the sewer, and you keep comming back and doing your business in the same toilet without flushing it down into the sewer, do you suppose it might build up to be a stinking mess that will soon run over the top of the toilet??
The whole process has to work properly if you choose to stay Healthy!
As another note on this subject: some talk about spurs of or calcium deposits on bone joint sockets, claiming that the person is getting too much calcium in these cases!
Maybe this condition should be viewed in another view also!
Take a look at the condition spoken of as bad bone sockets and see if it does not look as if instead of the smooth socket as is supposed to be that where they claim spurs to be, that maybe it is really just too many acids which have eaten away the bone socket and leaving pockets of eaten out bone, with ridges which they want to call spurs, which may be just points which may have not been eaten away yet??
Also consider the plack build up in the blood vessels, which they claim are from to much calcium, is it possible it is like I mentioned in the begining, that because the body does not have enough of the proper Electrical Ebergy to rebuild and flush out the Toxins, that this condition is just that there was just enough Alkaline Minerals to neutralize the excess acids in the blood and not enough for anything else!
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This is a reply to # 301,037Thank you moreless.
So it seems the remedy would be to eat plenty of raw greens, green drinks, etc. as these are not only cleansing, but also providing the necessary alkalizing minerals. Then after a time, a person could supplement with larger doses of minerals such as Ca & Mg in order to realkalize the system?
Does this seem like a reasonable path to take? Or what would you recommend? Molasses, lemon, what else?
Thanks,
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Hi obj,
Yes it is a reasonable path, but if one is having problems, then why wait to do anything which will help correct the body's excess acid problems??
In other words, it would seem that one may want to do what ever would help one raise their pH immediately, rather than wait til later??
The begining reason for sickness may be because of the shortages of Calcium and Magnesium and all of the other Alkaline Trace Minerals which one may recieve from taking Kelp and Blackstrap Molasses and the Energy one would recieve from the Lemon and Blackstrap Molasses drink,and also the use of the Lime water, so why wait??
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18 y
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This is a reply to # 301,047Hi moreless,
Why wait? Because my minerals get so easily out of whack. For instance, I was taking extra coral calcium powder and magnesium liquid along with my regular ionic trace minerals and I developed a K deficiency. Pretty bad with heart palpitations and a stuffed up feeling in the chest. Scary. So I had to stop all minerals, except K, and start over after a couple weeks. I don't want to go through that again.
I would rather get what I need from greens and other vegs and green drinks and maybe getting more alkaline this way, I can then tolerate more of the Ca & Mg. supplements.
What I'm experiencing is like trying to climb two ladders at one time, one leg on one ladder, the other leg on the other ladder, and neither of them are progressing up at the same rate. Or one is going down while the other up. I don't know how to control a steady progress of alkalizing with mineral supplementation. It may be better for me to alkalize more with foods.
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Hi obj,
You are correct that it is better to get your Alkaline Minerals from foods or food based .
But may you tell me why you think you had developed a K deficiency and why you believe this is what caused your stuffed chest feeling , instead of a digestion problem causing your problem, and this being from other reasons you may not understand?
Did your body become Hot and did you retain more water, or were your hands and ears and feet cold???
What kind of bowel movements did you have?
Are you sure the heart problems were not because of too much Protein??
It sounds like it may have been more of a problem of improper Digestion from the food you were eating, causing a slow down of the digestion and thus cutting off your Oxygen supply to your Heart, for it to take several weeks to get into order again!
Did you take a small pinch of Epsom Salts with each meal as I have been suggesting, or was your magnesium from another source??
You need to understand that the body operates off of the Energy Released from the chemical reactions which are created in the body between the acids and alkalines, not from the food it's self!!
If you do not or are not eating or drinking foods which contain phospates and sulfates and other acids which are need to be bound with the Alkaline Minerals, and you are relying upon the stomach acids of mainly HCL acid for your acid to react against the Alkaline Minerals you are taking, and you are having digestive problems, then you are going to have problems , like OXYGEN shortages to your Heart!!
Not all is as it seems!
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This is a reply to # 301,056Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I do appreciate them.
I had a broken foot, for which I was taking extra Ca.
When I stopped taking the calcium and anything with soy-based phosphorus in it, the symptoms subsided.
This is just one example. Under other circumstances, it has happened with other essential minerals. I know that the minerals should stay in a particular ratio to each other. For some reason, I'm extraordinarily sensitive to this balance being out of balance. It has been this way as far back as I can remember.
I remember a lecture I went to in Sept. '03. A speaker talked about the electrical flow of each cell, cell mechanics. So I understand what you are saying about energy. It's been awhile since I thought about it. You have a good way of explaining how all that relates to the food we put into ourselves.
obj
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Hi obj,
When you say you were taking soy based products, this brings to mind , the idea of too much protein, which may have been the cause to your problems instead of as you suggest, the intake of Minerals!!
Too much Protein has a way of causing all kinds of problems which most do not recognize!
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- TO moreless HOW TO LOOK AT IT remi96
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This is a reply to # 300,977Thanks for all the info. I am trying to understand this alkaline theory better. I am reading up on the topic. I am a little confused about water being acid. Somethings really seem to not make sense. Such as, if the body is 70-80% water and water is acid then how are we ever going to be alkanine, seems impossible.
Moreless,
Do you have candida? What is your diet like? Do you actually stick with an alkaline diet? Because I am willing to change things for the time being while I am sick. But I cannot see myself sticking with it forever. My goal is to get healthy and live a normal life. I will alsays be healthy conscience after all of this. But I do not, in my heart, believe that living should be this complicated.
Besides I want to add, most of the US and the world for that matter, probably eats poorly and despite this the age expectancy keeps increasing. Maybe we could live healtheir so we enjoy it better, but not to the point where it consumes ones life and makes life impossible.
If you consider, acid/alkaline, candida banned foods, food combining, whether food is organic...one could drive oneself nuts just trying to eat day to day, let alone trying to live.
So while I am not saying I am going to start drinking and smoking, but I find pizza or a burger or even a sugary dessert on ocassion to be fine...when I am healed.
What is your opinion.
Michelle
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MoreThis is a reply to # 301,042Hi Michelle,
Sorry to butt in. Just wanted to add my two cents.
I'm with you. Having to stay on the straight and narrow, always conscious of one milligram of Sugar or acid-forming stuff leaves a person no leeway.
I believe that once one is healed and in a good alkaline side of the balance, then a sugary or acid forming or non organic trip to Pizza Hut won't kill us. Once in awhile is ok.
One time I was very alkaline before and funny thing is, I could feel a vaginal yeast inf. coming on. Anyway, once you get fully balanced I think you will have developed a tuned ear to your body's mechanics. Then you can tell when you are getting off the balanced track. You get warning signals and you will dislike being off, so you go back to what you know works and you remember how well you felt when you were there.
Just one person's perception of being on both sides of the fence.
Take care,
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This is a reply to # 301,042Hi remi96,
You are welcome!
No I do not have candida!
I do not like to get sick, so I make it a choice to try to follow an Alakline Diet, or a Diet which allows me to keep my pH up!
I faithfuly use plenty of Blackstrap and Kelp each day and supplement with extra Calcium and magnesium when I feel like my food does not contain enough!
Of course I love to Garden and raise the greater amount of my food which I eat, so I know where my food is grown and how it is grown and I do not use any Poisons of any kind and the Quality may not be matched by anyones food anywhere that I have yet found !
The garden foods are very highly Mineralized, and when I have plenty of cole greens of different kinds from november thru march during the cooler months of the year, this is what I live on and I do not require much additional supplementation to Keep my pH up!!
And my cole greens have a sweet taste to them, not the sharp bitter or taste of a bite as most have!
When you have fresh fruits and vegetables which really have their own sweet taste to them, it is a wonderful joy to eat them, and I care for none other!!
And it is a very simple way to live, eat what is in season!!
I have been living thru the winter on sweet potatoes grown last year, along with pecans which I grow and onions and cabbage and broccoli and chinese Celery cabbage and turnips and rutabagas and collards and carrots and sweet corn from the freezer along with peas from the freezer and my own corn meal from my own corn and whole wheat flour which I grind from hard wheat which I buy from out west which is free from poisons and I eat oatmeal made from rolled oats from out west and I put raisins and cinnamon and lecithin and sweet whey powder and maybe some pecans in it with some skim milk and blackstrap molasses and some Rapadura raw Sugar in it some times!!
I have all kinds of fruit trees, apples, peaches, plums, apricots, sweet cheeries, pears, figs, etc and raise watermelons and honeydew and cantaloupe!
Also raise in the summer, yellow squash and irish potatoes and peas and sweet corn and tomatoes carrots etc, anything I want to eat!!
I find my eating to be of much enjoyment, and it is all without the normal Junk foods which most people try to live on!
I do not desire for the many material things which most people strive after, but I will spend any amount of money for any top quality food which I desire to have which I do not grow myself!
Smile Tis your choice.
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This is a reply to # 300,970I'm not sure I can agree with moreless that water by itself is acidifying. I would like an explanation, even if technical, on this.
At any rate, water would surely wash out some of the harmful acidifying wastes and that would raise your pH.
Also, all those minerals you're taking would raise your pH. I think minerals in excess like copper and probably many others if taken in quantity, and of course the heavy metals, would be acidifying. But from what I gather, Mg and Ca are alkalizing, and balanced Na/K are alkaline. Not sure but I think Na may be acidifying if taken in quantity by itself.
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This is a reply to # 300,997OB
I just posted a message to moreless. I want to understand this whole thing mysefl also, I am reading up on the topic. However, I do not understand how water can be acid either. I understand the H2O thing and hydrogen being acid. But how can it leave an acid residue in the body. I don't understand it. I mean after all if our bodies are 70-80% water and water is acid then how in gods name are we ever going to become alkaline. Seems impossible to me.
I am curious as to what moreless answers will be. Check out the post.
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This is a reply to # 301,043Yeah, Michelle, I just read it and posted you.
The water thing... I don't really understand that either, that's it's acidic. But I do have drops I put in my water to alkalize it.
http://www.alkalife.com
I do think it helps. I can taste the difference... it's smoother. If you are adding concentrace to your water, you may already be alkalizing it. Try dipping one of your pH strips in it? I'm curious to see what you get. Let me know.
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