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Re Griz's idea of www.thesilveredge.com S Barwick as arbiter (I was surprized at this) in the discussion of differences in understandings on C Silver and it's protocols:
In G's "The Truth About---" link, there are some less important and some more important statements in opposition to understandings being presently discussed:
in http://www.truecolloidalsilverfacts.com/ Barwick states:
on the meaning and use of 'Colloidal' and Particle:"
"In spite of what's been said on the internet, both 'metallic" (or non-ionic) silver-- and ionic silver-- are (by definition), "colloidal silver".--they're both composed of tiny particles of silver suspended homogenously and indefinitely in a liquid solution."
"The-- difference-- is that the 'metallic' colloidal silver is composed of (electricaly balanced atoms), while -- ionic colloidal silver is composed positively-charged (unbalanced) atoms -- ."
"--both forms –- have been universally called "colloidal silver" for the past 100-plus years, --."
"Both have powerful antimicrobial qualities.---, but there's no way for (non-ionic/'metallic') to kill pathogens except to convert to the ionic form--. It has to shed silver ions -----, or it's otherwise benign."
"-- ALL reputable experts agree that silver ions are the biologically active, infection-fighting "specie" of silver, while (non-ionic/'metal') silver particles have almost no infection-fighting qualities of their own except to the extent that they shed silver ions when they (experience deconstruction or oxidation from) coming into contact with acidic bodily fluids or highly-oxygenated body tissues. --- a far slower and less effective process than simply ingesting silver ions."
on Silver's pathogenic actions:
"--gram positive bacteria carry a negative electrical charge on their cell walls thanks to the presence of teichoic acids linked to either the eptidoglycan or to the underlying plasma membrane. These teichoic acids are negatively charged because of presence of phosphate in their structure".
"And gram negative bacteria have an outer covering of phospholipids and lipopolysaccharides, with the lipopolysaccharides imparting a strongly negative charge to the surface of the bacterial cell wall".
"--(with) the positive electrical charge on silver ions, a very strong affinity exists between them and gram positive and gram negative forms of bacteria. In short, the silver ions are strongly attracted to bacteria. But metallic silver does not (have) this same electrical (unbalanced) charge attraction,----. So --- (there is no attraction) , to bind with and destroy pathogens like ionic silver has. It can only destroy pathogens to the extent that it converts to the ionic form of silver in the human body, which generally happens on a very gradual basis in the presence of acidic bodily fluids or highly oxygenated tissues – a much slower and less effective process".
on stomach acids:
"--when you ingest ionic silver, your body will immediately begin to produce metalloproteins such as metallothionein to (protect) those silver ions from the (protein deconstructing) chemical environment of the stomach, and (while traversing) the deeper reaches of the body".
"--when you ingest metallic silver, the same things happens, but far more slowly. As the metallic silver particles come into contact with acidic bodily fluids beginning in the GI tract, (deconstruction occurs) and the metal particles begin shedding silver ions--. And it's at that point the body will start producing the metalloproteins needed to (protect) those silver ions---".
"When using-- ionic-- colloidal silver, the metalloprotein process starts immediately, because it's the silver ion that stimulates the body to produce metalloproteins--".
"-- when using-- metallic-- colloidal silver, the process is far more gradual due to the fact that (the deconstructing)-- takes --(time before)--- (producing) silver ions--."
"This is why some clinical studies have demonstrated that it takes significantly longer for metallic silver to kill pathogens than it does for ionic silver." see: http://www.thesilveredge.com/ionicvspart.shtml#.V7RD_Lv6tT1
on the need to convert ionic w heat or additives:
"If--- people were correct in their assertions--- that ionic silver "can't work in the human body (and would need to be converted ) ---that ions can’t exist in the presence of stomach acid for "more than a few seconds" (as rebuttled above), then it follows that human body could not absorb and utilize minerals from food plants at all, for the simple reason nature has those plants convert all minerals-- to the ionic form."
"---the--- claim that ionic silver is not effective inside the human body unless you first add a reducing agent to it, --- in order to turn it into "true colloidal silver" (i.e., metallic silver) before drinking it (is false)."
"--- to convert ionic silver back into metallic silver before drinking it, knowing that your body is just going to have to convert it back to ionic silver for it to be effective against pathogens, ( is counterproductive)."
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This is a reply to # 2,330,667Steve is saying that there is no need whatsoever for Metallic Silver.
Why then does esstee (and others) provide procedures to convert ionic silver into metallic silver ?
Ionic silver is clear in color while metallic silver is yellowish in color.
If this is all true, then there is no need for Mesosilver and others that are mostly metallic?
Something is smelling fishy here. Is Steve wrong? Is Steve promoting ionic silver because that is what his generator produces?
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,674I thought you would've checked it all out before you put forward the idea of SB being some sort of authority on the matter.
You might ask him or his tech dept,(and all the CS companies for that matter so youll know the important,sensitive and most factually based questions to ask) but his answers are pretty much all on his web site.
For me it's obvious that he has done involved considerate research and come to his conclusions because of that research and then developed his CS maker based on that research and now his unit is the most popular because of it's being insync with the facts of C Silver research and proven by it's efficacy in use.
As he says, all C Silvers are Antibiotics , it's just whats the most practical, cost benefitting and efficient choice.
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- Re: C Silver notes: according to S B... grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,678This report & lab testing supports Steve's reports that ionic silver is more effective than silver particles, even in the stomach.
http://www.silvergen.com/ionic_versus_colloidal_silver.htm
I am convinced. Who am I to question lab reports?
It looks like we have settled once & for all this conflict between "experts." If everyone agrees, this is the position I will take in our Colloidal Silver Resources report.
I would still like to see what Esstee says about his recommendation to convert ionic into silver particles. Why do it at all if it is not needed? Esstee must have some valid reasons.
What say you, Esstee?
Grizz- Re: C Silver notes: according to S B... grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,679Esstee's testimonial report from several years ago definitely confirms Steve Barwick's research that ionic silver is superior to the particle silver found in Mesosilver & others. For those who are still in doubt, this report is VERY convincing proof that Steve Barwick is 100% correct.
http://www.thesilveredge.com/metalloproteins.shtml
NOTE: Chemicals or other exotic processing is required to convert ionic into particle silver.
Read this shocking testimonial by Esstee:
"....I did my research, read all I could find on the topic and ended-up ordering Mesosilver from the US. I first tried a single bottle using the recommended dosage and found that it did nothing... I then emailed the company and they informed me that I should up the dosage and that this was common with some of the more severe conditions, and so I ordered two more bottles and tried the recommended dosage. At which point, I began to feel slight improvements, but not enough to conclude it was working. And so I decided to order four more bottles and up the dosage once again to see just how much it would take to stop the pain and sickness caused by my infection. After which, I was up to 6 Oz, 3 times per day without any change over my previous dosage. Needless to say, I was very depressed given that I had spent well over $600.00 in what I thought was the best Colloidal Silver money could buy.....
".....I managed to make 1L of ionic silver. Which btw, is suppose to be far less effective than the true colloidal products being sold online. But at this point, I had nothing to loose so I started taking it. Except this time, I started with 2 oz. And guess what.... Almost immediately after taking it, I began to feel a burning sensation where my bone infection was. It was working.... and it was working like nothing I had used before( Antibiotic or otherwise). And that marked the beginning of my home made Colloidal Silver experience and the end of these so called true Colloidal Silver products sold online."
Complete Testimonial here:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2052657#i
Bottom line:
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18 ozs of Mesosilver Particle Silver a day did nothing while 2 ozs of ionic silver worked it's miracle ! ! !
MUCH MORE at our Colloidal Silver Resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
Are there any Doubting Thomases left?
PS) What country do you live in, Esstee? Brazil?
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- RE: Metallic silver Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,330,674What's interesting with the Ionic vs Elemental debate is where both types will possess ionic properties to some extent or another.
That said, what's equally interesting is that which is commonly referred to as ionic silver, is not truly made up of silver ions, as these are so unstable(reactive), that their existence consists of mere microseconds passed the point of disassociation(from the anode).
Therefore what we typically end up with from an LVDC process, is predominantly silver oxides. Which in effect, is a semi-aqueous silver compound that will phase in-and-out of an ionic state from solubility. And in turn, resulting in what we'd call, unstable solutions. - ie, reacting to light, air and /or loosing vitality etc.
However, I'd also add that this in itself does not mean that these solutions are any less effective than particulate counterparts. In fact, it's quite the opposite, as Colloidal Silver works ionic exchange. That is to say, the interexchange of ions in the presence of reactive organisms(or media). To which I'd add, the predominant ionic solutions will hold the upper hand over a neutral particle in most cases.
The downside of course, is that these ionic
solutions are prone to destabilization and is where the old saying "fresher is better" comes into play. Therefore, the idea here is to try and strike a balance between the ionic and particulate(elemental) components, so that the solution can be as effective as possible for a given task. - which will likely vary according to the application.
And so in conclusion, I'd answer that the answer in this case, is that it will vary. ie, if I was aiming for the gut, then I would process for maximum stability and resistance. However, if I was treating a systemic condition such as an infection, then I would push as far as possible to ionic side, for maximum diffusion(sublingual) potential and effectiveness.
- hope this helps
PS. heating ones solution while processing is a two-fold in that it reduces the silver oxide to elemental silver(at the cathode) while also increasing solubility. - this in turn, has proven to produce one of the most effective Colloidal Silver solutions I've ever used.- Re: RE: Metallic silver grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,681Esstee,
Thank you for your response. I have included it into the chapter of Reducing Ionic Silver.
Many thanks to Vairagi for his report on Steve Barwick's position.
This eliminates a great deal of confusion & conflicts in our Colloidal Silver Resources Document.
Teamwork pays. Are there any other conflicts that we need to resolve?
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This is a reply to # 2,330,683and thank-you for that - happy to help wherever possible.
That said, I hope you caught or corrected my grammatical errors in the process. Otherwise, this may cause confusion for readers.- Re: notebook entry grizz
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- Re: RE: Metallic silver grizz
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"PS. heating ones solution while processing is a two-fold in that it reduces the silver oxide to elemental silver(at the cathode) while also increasing solubility"
Esstee,
What temperature do you recommend to create your ionic silver?
Many thanks,
Grizz
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- Re: C Silver notes: according to S B... yourhealthandtech
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This is a reply to # 2,330,674Hi all! My feelings are that; most silver is just silver. My home made silver isn't as good as a large processing company will make; they have high powered generators. I don't get into a debate over ionic vs colloidal; and certainly won't get into metallic silver. Peace Buttercups! ~~~Nancy Gurish
- Re: C Silver notes: according to S B... grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,330,921Nancy,
The "Experts" make Colloidal Silver overly complicated & confusing as a marketing trick to sell their products.
It is this simple:
1) Both Silver Particles and Silver Ions = Colloidal Silver . Colloidal Silver is simply a catch-all phrase.
2) Both work equally well if made properly. Silver Ions just work faster.
This article explains why this is true with lab reports, written by our Guru Steve Barwick:
http://www.truecolloidalsilverfacts.com/
See our Colloidal Silver Resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
See Testimonials at the end of this report.
Grizz
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- We need to talk! Dquixote1217
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One of these days, when time permits, you and I are going to have to have a discussion about Colloidal Silver .
: )
Maybe I can shed a bit of light for you - or vice versa.
As you know, I have researched and written about Colloidal Silver fairly extensively. I am also friends with Steve Barwick and we have corresponded quite a bit. I am lifelong friends with Ben Taylor, the owner of Utopia-Silver and I have observed firsthand his "star wars" production facility in operation
I also know the owner of Purest Colloids (Mesosilver)Frank Keys, who literally was a "rocket scientist" and we have corresponded quite a bit. I have also seen the reports from his half-million dollar lab. And I have some reports and resources from other Colloidal Silver "experts" I can share.
Anyway, in the not too distant future, let's talk. Fro now, I will just say that it will take quite a bit of convincing for me to believe that ionic silver is superior when it comes to internal use.
Your friend,
DQ (Tony)
- Re: We need to talk! grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,331,015I am happy that you know so many experts. I don't know any experts.
However, we (Vairagi, Esstee & I) have chosen Steve Barwick as our Expert Guru to quote. This is because we are sick & tired of conflicting and confusing reports from various "experts" who can't agree on anything.
If you have a better expert than Steve, then please tell us who he is, in the meantime, you can read Steve's report here:
http://www.truecolloidalsilverfacts.com/
and here:
http://www.thesilveredge.com/ionicvspart.shtml#.V7NQ57v6tT0
Is Steve right or wrong, and where exactly is he wrong?
There should be no controversy here. There is only one correct answer, and so far Steve is our TOP Guru supplying correct answers. Who is a better authority than Steve?
Grizz
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Sure you know some experts, Grzz. Besides Steve Barwick there is also yourself, as you have become quite knowledgeable, OK, here is my response - at least what I had time for:
Steve Barwick is a good friend of mine and I certainly count him among the "experts" I know and believe that he is a very good source for information. My only caution is that Steve has a proprietary interest in ionic silver since that is what his great generators make, and so his advice favors ionic silver over Colloidal Silver . I and other "experts" believe that while ionic silver is superior for topical applications, true Colloidal Silver is superior to ionic silver when it comes to internal applications. However, like others whose opinions I respect, I believe that a combination of ionic and Colloidal Silver is best. Virtually all "true colloidal silver" products actually contain some ionic silver - perhaps as much as 15% or more.
That is one reason I prefer Utopia-Silver 's Advanced Colloidal Silver product - in addition to having some of the smallest particles to be found in any product, I think it contains a good ratio of colloidal to ionic silver. On the other hand, Purest Colloids Mesosilver is the highest quality "true colloidal silver" I have found - it has the most consistent and smallest particles of any other product, which one might expect from a manufacturing process that cost several hundreds of thousands of dollars and which was designed and made by a true "rocket scientist" - and MIT grad who worked for NASA.
Similarly, Utopia-Silver 's manufacturing process cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and it was designed and built by someone with decades of experience in high voltage technology. Very high voltage is used in the best processes used to make superior colloidal silver - which also use a submerged beam laser with reversing polarity. Watching those processes in action is akin to watching star wars as the plasma beam literally atomizes the 0.9999 fine silver. BTW, I note your purchase of what appears to be a superior ionic silver generator (which will also have some colloidal content, as almost all ionic products do). Sounds great and I look forward to your report. Someone was supposed to send me their latest and greatest generator to test quite a while back - but I am still waiting. (Are you reading this, Steve???) FYI, you can purchase your own home version of a submerged beam reversing polarity colloidal silver maker - but it will set you back up to $800 for a good one. Beats the heck out of the $50,000 price tag I saw for an entry level commercial unit.
When you take ultra small particle colloidal silver some of it enters the bloodstream BEFORE reaching the digestive system and it provides surfaces for the ionic silver that makes it into the bloodstream to plate to. And you are absolutely correct when you state that particle size is a key. The smaller the particle, the more surface area you have for any given PPM of silver. Think of the difference between the surface area you would get from the basketballs you could fit inside a 50 gallon drum versus the surface area you would get with a drum full of BB's. That is why Mesosilver and Advanced Colloidal Silver have several hundreds to thousands of times more surface area for their 20 PPM product that does homemade and commercial products, even those which have 15,000 PPM (and I and other "experts" don't advise using anything much more than 20 PPM).
Finally, colloidal silver will work fine topically. It is just that there is no reason to choose it over ionic silver and particles sizes don't matter as much, imo. I have used colloidal silver in an eyecup many times. It will instantly get rid of red-eye and usually clear up actual eye infections in as little as a day. I like to add a few drops of Dr. Christopher's eyebright, a wonderful herbal combo for the eyes which helps restore vision and brightness. Only a few drops though (start off with one and work up to as many as five), since one of the ingredients is cayenne extract and it does burn!
Gotta run. Keep in touch, my friend.
Tony (DQ)- Re: Some Talk : ) grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,332,320Tony,
I'm sure you believe in what you are saying, however the facts tell a different story.
1) What is your response to Esstee's shocking actual experience with Mesosilver's Particle Silver vs Ionic Silver?
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2332314#i
2) Why does Immunogenics sell Argentyne 23 ionic silver at premium prices to doctors
https://www.natural-immunogenics.com/products/argentyn-23.html
and its Sovereign Brand particle silver to the public?
https://www.natural-immunogenics.com/
3) All of your friends seem to ignore the facts that our body includes Ionic Carriers to send ionic silver directly INTO our cells not particle silver.
What is your response to this?
http://www.thesilveredge.com/metalloproteins.shtml#.VBtU-fldV8E
I suggest that Steve Barwick is proven 100% correct time & again whether he sells a product or not. His research is impeccable and he always gives sources.
4) And lastly it is relatively easy to convert (reduce) ionic silver into particle silver for those who feel a need to do so. I personally don't see any reason or need for particle silver when we have superior ionic silver available commercially or can be made at home with a proper generator. Esstee has done some great research on reducing ionic silver. So, too has Silvertron.
I think it would be great if your friends sold both Ionic & Particle silver like Immunogenics, then tell the TRUTH about the best applications for each.
We must all work hard to put an end to the maddening contradictions & confusing terms being made by companies marketing their silver products. The situation today can even drive Dr. Phil insane. I want to see honesty in marketing.
The TRUTH. the WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. Lets tell it like it is, there are only 2 kinds of Colloidal Silver : Mostly Ionic Silver or mostly Particle Silver.
Best to you,
Grizz
- Truth, hype, time and Mexican dentis... Dquixote1217
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I wholeheartedly agree that we all need to be as truthful as we can (and I think many people here are trying to do just that, even though we may disagree. If I were not truthful, I would not be able to best help people and that has always been my top priority - helping as many people live longer, healthier and happier lives and beat and avoid cancer. More important than making money. And thus my upcoming trip to see a Mexican dentist (but he was trained in the U.S. and I know people who used him with great results).
Actually, I believe that I can refute every single one of those items you listed and I can can do so in depth and with numerous cited sources and proof. As I have said before, I have researched and written about Colloidal Silver extensively. I do not pretend to be THE authority on colloidal and ionic silver by any means, but I assure you that I know more than some people think they know. I WILL do that eventually when time permits. Right now, I simply do not have the time - only one of me and so very much to do . . . sigh.
I will say that I don't doubt Esstee's experience at all - as I noted, though Mesosilver has the most consistent and smallest particle Colloidal Silver , I think they actually don't have enough ionic content because it takes both ionic and Colloidal Silver working in tandem for the best results. Proponents of mostly ionic silver might be in for quite a surprise if they could somehow produce 100% ionic silver with no colloidal content at all.
But here's the thing: Answering in depth will take no small amount of time - time I do not have. In addition to book projects, a planned joint private line supplements venture, a soon to be launched weekly newsletter and a free in-depth eReport I am going to give away to subscribers ("How to Make Sure You Never Get Cancer") and the constant load of work in posting new articles from my paid group of writers and maintaining and updating my website of about 3500 pages, I currently have over $3000 worth of my own articles backlogged and I badly need the money sooner than later to get oral surgery and a new set of teeth - evidently the "warranty" on my natural teeth ran out at about 60 years of age or so. So off to Mexico I will go - can't afford the $8000 or so that it takes in the U.S. - we went that route with Luella's surgery and teeth last year and I am still hurting from that! Ouch!!
The major reason I need to have the dental work done is that I am due to be a featured speaker at next year's Annie Appleseed Complimentary and Alternative Medicine for Cancer Conference in West Palm Beach (yeah, I know a bit about cancer too - more so than any other subject actually) and I don't want to go as a "Mister Snaggletooth". Embarassing much! Plus, our plan for the hopefully not so distant future is to get a modest travel trailer to tow behind the new(ish) SUV and take our show on the road - giving lectures and presentations, attending symposiums, natural health fairs, etc. while stopping to smell the roses now and then in the forests, mountains, streams, beaches, etc. while I still have the time and health to do so.
In the meanwhile, I will leave you to ponder these questions:
1) If particle silver is superior, why in the world would an MIT graduate spend over half a million dollars developing a system to produce colloidal silver when he could have spent merely tens of thousands of dollars on a top quality particle silver manufacturing operation?
2) How does one explain the post from a few years back where a person tested homemade silver using one of the better generators, a leading brand of "colloidal silver" (actually mostly ionic silver) and Utopia-Silver 's Advanced Colloidal Silver - where he sprayed each one on damp slices of bread. The slice with the homemade silver developed mold in only a couple of days and then the one with the commercial silver had mold appear soon thereafter. Weeks later there was still no mold on the slice with the Advanced Colloidal Silver. That echos what others have told me - and I heard a great many unsolicited testimonials during the two years I worked in the Utopia-Silver offices.
3) Are you saying that Immunogenics, who just like any number of other companies claim that their product alone is the superior product (I can show you lab reports that say otherwise), tells nothing but the truth about their products, and the same for my friend Steve, and yet my colloidal silver "friends" are not telling the truth? One of those "friends" actually is a friend, a lifelong friend I have known since the second grade and I have NEVER once heard him tell a lie. And btw, just for the record Utopia-Silver DOES make ionic silver and recommends it for topical applications. When it comes to telling the truth, perhaps the truth is that all of them as well as myself, believe that they are telling the truth but those beliefs are naturally slanted towards favoring what they sell . . .
Sheesh - see what happens when I start writing? The curse of being a writer I guess. I can't even say hello or goodbye in less than 500 words . . .
Till later my friend,
Tony (DQ)- Re: Truth, hype, time and Mexican de... grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,332,472Tony,
I'm happy to hear you are into cancer treatments.
So am I, and I'll give you my research on Iodine supplements being used to cure cancers. Our immune system uses Iodine to kill cancer cells. We even cured a woman sent to home hospice to die. She was given 3 months to live. 6 months later she was cancer free and back on her feet. She was only taking 50mg a day of Iodine with the required co-supplements.
Also, this treatment is being used by several doctors, primarily Dr. Brownstein.
Here it is: Dr. Reports & testimonials:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CU1cOKdIxzuu-Mgb9iKV4QL0sKxOdt1pYE2mWms2FGI/edit
Hope this helps,
Grizz- Cancer and more Dquixote1217
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Grizz -
Thanks for the info. I am quite familiar with iodine and Dr. Brownstein.
Researching and writing about alternative cancer treatments as well as the dangers and ineffectiveness of mainstream treatments is what got me started writing about natural health to begin with. Ultimately, I developed my own suggested comprehensive anti-cancer protocol some years ago, which I have regularly revised and updated. We estimate has been 95% plus successful against stage I and II cancers and 85% successful against stage III and IV cancers.
http://www.tbyil.com/anticancer.htm
In that protocol, here is what I have to say about iodine:
"Iodine is an absolute must for anyone fighting cancer, especially breast cancer. Many people have beaten cancer with iodine supplementation alone and it is a supremely powerful item to include in any cancer-fighting protocol."
On this issue, I think we are in pretty much complete agreement.
I also believe that colloidal silver is very effective against cancer, particularly when it is used with other powerful cancer fighters. I have had numerous people tell me that they have had better results when they add colloidal silver to their protocol.
Here is the section of my website where I have gathered most of the articles I have written as well as articles by my staff of writers. I think you will like it.
http://www.tbyil.com/Cancer_Alternatives.htm
There are also links there to doctors reports, studies and testimonials.
BTW, I agree that we need to try to get to the truth about colloidal and ionic silver as best we can - but I am not sure how we will do that. So many companies tout their product as somehow being uniquely superior and they have no end of mostly bogus hype and self-serving tests that they point to. If somehow we could find multiple identical people with identical health issues then we could see how the various products stack up both objectively and subjectively - but of course that is impossible to do.
The good news I guess it that most silver solutions are effective and safe (except those made chemically and those which use animal protein to artificially suspend the particles) - from the solution you make at home with a cheap 9 volt battery setup to the more sophisticated home generators to the commercial solutions. Some are more effective (in some instances considerably more effective) and safer than others. Quantifying that is indeed quite a challenge.
FYI, one of my upcoming articles will be on the truth about the very rare blue skin condition Argyria and how it CAN be reversed.
Tony (DQ)
P.S. Perhaps you remember some of the battles I had here and in the Cancer Debate forum with the character who almost hijacked CZ for a couple of years or so - Hveragerthi. Our duels were pretty legendary. Sadly, they were also more polarizing than I would have liked. H was convinced that he alone had the answers on a number of subjects, or at least he tried to convince people he did. When it came to cancer, he maintained that viruses were the primary cause of cancer. They aren't. Lots of things have been put forward as the primary causes on cancer. The true primary cause of cancer is toxins. Period. Aacccck - don't get me started. I'll be here for hours and hours. : )
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This is a reply to # 2,332,621Great reply,
Do you mind if I reference your work with cancer in my own research?
Oh yes, I remember Hveragerthi well ! When he was banned from the Curezone, he went promptly over to the Mark's Daily Apple discussion group where he did battle with me over Iodine. Trapper came to my aid to no avail. We both ended up being banned at Marks Daily Apple.
Mr. H was also banned at other discusion groups. Wherever he went, it was HIS way or the highway.
Best to you,
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This is a reply to # 2,332,624Grizz -
Feel free to reference anything I have ever written as you like. I do ask that credit and a link be provided when anything is published which uses or references my writings.
Gotta run - I have a monster article to do on the Zika Virus hoax and another on the link between diabetes drugs and cancer . . . and several others after that . . .
Tony
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Tony,
We need your help to end this insanity:
* monatomic silver is BEST
* NO NO, professional silver hydrosol is BEST
* NO WAY, covalent silver is SUPERIOR
* You are all full of it, "TRUE Colloidal" is BESTEST
* NO WAY because no such thing as "True Colloidal"
* You are all FULL OF IT, Ionic is the BEST
* 98% Positively Charged is BESTEST IN THE WORLD
* No additives or stabilizers makes ours SUPERIOR
* Ours is BESTYET because it is PURE 99.999% Silver in PURIFIED water
This insanity cannot continue. The entire industry suffers from confusion & brain freeze. Your friends need to agree on standards to rate products HONESTLY. I think a lot can be done to end the above MADNESS. You must agree that there is a serious credibility problem with all of this needless HYPE & BS. I have made a good effort toward this in my document, Colloidal Silver Resources, where the Truth, the Whole Truth and nothing but the TRUTH is paramount.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfnslQKQDd3i3ZK5B6jnW2cPv_0QnCTNstWF5trl_hc/edit#
We all know that there are only 2 kinds of Colloidal Silver :
1) Mostly Ionic Silver
2) Mostly Particle Silver
where Small particle size is better
Best to you,
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,331,015DQ,
Since you know some of the producers, it would be nice if they would post the simple facts about their products where it can be easily found:
1) % of ionic Silver, % of Particle Silver
2) PPM
3) Particle Size with microscopic photo.
These 3 facts are all I need to buy a product.
Best to you,
Grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,331,015Well I for one don't need to waste my time trying to convince you or anyone else, the fact is, the home made Ionic stuff works. It's not about the money to give them some credibility, past researchers knew how good it is, and if people took more time reading better literature, and observe billions of people around this planet who know how good it is they would get better educated. Remove the marketing blurbs and brag about how much money one has and the fact is, Ionic AND metallic BOTH serve their purpose, it's that simple.
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We are in agreement that Ionic Silver works, and is extremely effective.
However the problem is that Particle Silver does NOT work as well. Here is our own honorable expert, Esstee's SHOCKING Testimonial that suggests how really bad Particle Silver is:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2332314#i
Further evidence:
http://www.thesilveredge.com/metalloproteins.shtml#.VBtU-fldV8E
The biggest problem is the marketing smokescreen of BS designed to confuse everyone:
Bottom Line up Front: Marketing terms designed to confuse us
Ionic Silver = monatomic silver or silver hydrosol or covalent silver
Hydrosol = mostly ionic silver AND some particle silver
Ionic Silver = Clear in color (if not agglomerated)
Silver Particles = displays colors at 5ppm or more
Ionic Silver or Silver Particles = Colloidal Silver for both
All I want to see is the TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. We are all sick & tired of the marketing BS being used.
I'm sure that Particle Silver has its place and it must have some advantages, I just have no idea why anyone would choose Particle Silver over Ionic Silver. Does anyone have factual research on this question?
Grizz
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Comments on John's rebuttal and analysis:
Trying to think this thru. Of importance as I see it, is really only concerning the oxidation of the highly ionic produced variety and its life span in our system.
Tho if we realize that it is only the Ions of either variety that produce the wanted effects, the debate may quickly be shelved on account of the Metalloprotein's role. So ultimately the Q is whether either is distinctly superior and whether either has any unwanted outcomes.
Of course the Tyndall Effect will reveal particles of numerous sizes in a Colloidal Silver, be they ionic or elemental, as long as they are insoluably dispersed. Oxides, of course, would not produce this effect.
I question whether Ions are going to be switching their valence states, back and forth as described, in my understanding of how ions are produced and become re-balanced in nature, even if they become quickly unstable thru the electrolysis, at an end point I think we would either have an ionic colloid or we would not, and in the idea that the waters actions on the ions would be unavoidable, per se, dosn't bear witness to further investigation as to the Ions fleeting existence.
see: Tens photography of sample. The clear product vs tinted and subsequent to makings use as an acceleratedly successful antibiotic.
The Ionic Colloid we produce with the "Smallest ratio of amps to volts" LVDC generator, tirckles off of the silver rods, producing less than nm sized particles and also has "no" precipitation after multiple months of storage
The noticeable positive effects we experience from using the clear, seemingly, apparantly non elemental, LVDC generated IS is also germaine. (especially when I compare the outcomes from all the different retail CS purchases and the two other CS generators I have used, but of course this is subjective and not really a valid point in the discussion)
I can only assume that John is either unfamiliar with, disbelieving of, or choosing to ignoring the posted science of the Mettaloprotein function, whereby all ions are protected from the stomachs deconstructing environment (thus even toxic heavy metal ions are assimilated. note: Silver is a noble metal), thus rendering any needful choice between targets determining which CS should be ingested to be specious.
Here's one of Barwick's pages on the difference.http://www.thesilveredge.com/ionicvspart.shtml#.V7NQ57v6tT0
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Sorry to have missed this post. Unfortunately, the forums are less than intuitive when it comes to keeping track of topics and comment updates.
That said, I'm not entirely sure I'm following the question pertaining to ion instability and valences. Though I'm thinking this may be a good opportunity to ask what you believe takes place beyond the dissociation stage at the anode in the production of an LVDC Colloidal Silver solution.
ie, once a silver ion is liberated from the anode what happens next in your view? Does it bind or combine with anything? Is it stable? What chemical composition does it take? Can it be oxidized? Is it light sensitive? and so-on and so-forth...
I look forward to your response as this will likely prove indispensable in gaining a mutual understanding of the chemical process in question as well as avoiding talking past each other as a result of insufficient definitions.
PS. While I would agree that silver chloride remains ionic (as a compound). I'd add that it remains undesirable due to its recent association in the formation of Argyria.- Re: Life After Anode or Aqua Ions Su... vairagi
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This is a reply to # 2,331,378Since most of us who use CS, no matter the creation style, find it to be fulfilling our needs, this thread should be about refining what weve read and certainly nothing worth arguing about.
I have no chem degree, nor expertise on CS.
I like trying to think, research and consider it all thru.
I appreciate relying on genuine experts to set straight what I read and only assume to be correct.
Yeah charged particles, unstably stable, like so many of us, er ions, that is.
What I read on this matter of Silver Ion stability created in regular LVDC room temp distilled water is that, similar to the many many types of metallic ions found normally unencumbered by polarity, in our bodies fluids and in numerous environs on the planet (sea water for one), an ions (in fluid in this instance) aren't particularly susceptible to electrical reorientation unless coming into contact with, and with certain conditions applying, a supersaturated state, an appropriate, oppositely polarized Ion or by active nucleation of some kind.
Heating will increase the saturation of solutions, but silver oxide doesn't decompose into metallic silver and oxygen until heated to 392 F.
anon 2016:
"Silver is the third place least reactive metal. Silver hydroxide does exist. It is a dark gray solid and not very soluble in water. Silver hydroxide will rearrange in aqueous solutions to give hydrated silver oxide which is the color of coffee with cream in it. --- both of these forms (can be seen) on the silver electrodes or form insoluble precipitates in Colloidal Silver , along with silver oxide (black)"
furthermore ibid 2016:
"However, what I haven't seen are any chemical analysis of any of these "self appointed internet silver gurus" so called silver oxide solutions. They go on and on about about Faradays Laws of Electrolysis, how they know how much silver ppm is formed and the size of the nanoparticles "through theory", or others state without citation that electrolysis always forms metallic oxides, but not one has spent a dime for a lab to prove what they claim so far to date".
After your posted statement claims on LVDC ionic silver, I pooched the ball back to you so I think the ball is still in your court to answer the question(s) of why do you (or your choice of expert) contend that a solution of silver ions in distilled water is (electrical charge wise) unstable enough to be immediately reversed or (switching back and forth) their polarized state.
PS My choice of understanding Argyria(cause there are difference here too I figure) is that it comes from elemental silvers compounding(most often thru breathing in silver dust) not orally ingested ionic silver's presence.
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