Die off or something else? 
rossyarch
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Hey guys,
I'm not sure of the exact date but lets say its been about 3 weeks since I stopped taking 100mg of zoloft for my anxiety and depression.
After discovering this forum a couple weeks ago I felt convinced that my metal issues stemmed from some kind of candida infection/leaky gut. Since then, I have changed my diet dramatically by cutting out sugars, adding correct supplementation and eating more of a paleo diet.
I honestly can't describe how I'm feeling - its almost like a constant, subtle headachey feeling. I am not 100% aware of my surroundings. I can function but my mind is definitely not at its optimal state.
One of the biggest dietary changes I have included is fresh milk kefir! I have been making tonnes of this stuff and drinking around 2 full pint glasses a day.
I'm not sure of the reason for my feelings, be it some form of die of, withdrawal from the antidepressants or detoxification from any toxins in my body.
I should probably mention that I have been following a more strict candida regime for about 3 month now (I recently have had some starchy veg, not often but maybe once a week).
Can any of you relate to my situation or give me a heads up on where you think I should take things? I've been on many heath and wellbeing forums and this one is by far the best in terms of solutions etc!
Appreciate it,
Rossy x
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- Re: Die off or something else? holysin
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This is a reply to # 2,325,901Candida does not only only cause anxiety and depression.
You have like 20 systoms at once like.
Joint pain
Bring fog to the point you can't learn or remember
Fatigue even after sleeping alot
You can't sleep
Horrible bowEl problems
Skin rash on groin ass and head
Finger nail fungus
Verte tight muscle
Very weak neck
Ect ect
So no I doubt you have a candida infection if that is your only systoms.
And you would feel like complete crap eating them starch vegetables.
- Re: Die off or something else? rossyarch
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This is a reply to # 2,325,903Maybe I should've listed the other symptoms that I have/had in relation to candida.
The bowel problems, extreme fatigue, weak neck, tight muscles and brain fog are just a few off the list you mentioned. Other symptoms include/d:
- inflammed joints
- blood test results that showed impaired liver function, before discovering candida I just shrugged it off
- crazy Sugar cravings... on a daily basis around mid day I'd feel shaky and weak until I got a hit of sugar, I'd be eating hundreds of grams on some days in the form of chocolate on some occations.
- real thick yellowey tongue thrush which has cleared up since my diet
- hangover feeling after eating certain foods
- crazy bloating after meals
I did the unofficial spit test which came back extremely positive.
Oh and I had a course of Antibiotics around 5 years ago from where I got bit by a dog.
Are you happy now lol have I proved my worth as a candida sufferer, can I join the club? I was hoping for some helpful advice/suggestions lol
- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,325,914Hey Rossy,
This will be my first post but I have been a CZ reader for about a year now. Sometimes dealing with things like a systemic candida problem seem like they will never end!
I know for I strongly believe I have had an overgrowth since a young age(I'm 34 y/o now), but only in recent years did it really start to go into full swing; eg sexual dysfunction, memory and learning problems (where I used to have a very sharp memory), jock itch/rash, burning/tingling after urination, depression, mood swings, fatigue, muscle aches etc etc.
I believe when dealing with candida overgrowth, especially systemic, which is what it sounds like you are probably suffering from, its best to approach from multiple angles at the same time. One of the best approaches I have found so far was written by a CZ member and can be found here //www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=541380.
I didn't follow everything he said, such as not using probiotics at first (which I did). I also didn't use some of the supplements he recommends, namely the SF722 and Dr Shulze. Intestinal Form 1 and Intest Form 2. I didn't have the money instead but found Mag 07 to be pretty cheap and very effective to get things moving down and out =)
Our gut is the foundation of our health and when it is not properly absorbing/digesting the food we give it everything else is going to go to shit! I love the link I posted because the very first thing he lists is to get things moving and cleanse out your bowels (SMALL and LARGE intestine).
This is a great place to start and you are already ahead of the game since you have been following a strict(apart from those starchy veggies =P) anti-candida diet. I think what you need to do now is to cleanse your digestive system of all the years of built of waste and abuse so that food you are consuming can provide your body with the nutrients it so desperately needs to fight this thing!
You may want to look at adding a supplement like l-glutamine to help repair any damage done to your gut by the overgrowth. I tried to post an external link but it wouldn't let me yet :( If you google 'l-glutamine leaky gut superhero' and choose the first link it gives great info on how to use it.
This, combined with some common really powerful natural antifungal foods and probiotics should start to help beat back and win your fight against this monster!
Since I started following the protocol in the link I posted, I feel worlds better and am making progress each and every day! Best of luck in your trials and journey =D
-Optomistic- Re: Die off or something else? holysin
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This is a reply to # 2,325,918That's shitty advise your diet has to be extremely strick. NO starches NO GRAINS OF ANY KIND you can keep eating then and end up like me that intestine get so damage you have a reaction to ever food you eat
- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,325,928As I said, apart from the starchy vegetables. Please learn to read peoples posts in their entirety before being so rude. Thanks for welcoming me to the forums in such a manner.
- Re: Die off or something else? #69242
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This is a reply to # 2,325,930Optomistic,
Thanks for posting, don't let anyone put you off posting, this forum needs all the help it can get, high attitude and rude postings drive people away, this forum needs people like you to debate.- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,325,965Hey Tansy,
Thanks for reminding me why I love this site so much! It's the positive attitudes and thoughtful discussion that support each other through difficult times. I don't know where I would be without this site and its many useful and imaginative ideas!
-Optomistic
- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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- Re: Die off or something else? #69242
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- Re: Die off or something else? #69242
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This is a reply to # 2,325,928Tut Tut Tut Tut Holysin,
That is no way to respond to a posting, have you thought about learning some relaxation techniques, get rid of stress.
Deep breathing is also good. Take up light exercise !
🏌🎯🚲.
Otherwise that hot temper of yours is going to land you right in it one day !
🚔
- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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- Re: Die off or something else? rossyarch
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This is a reply to # 2,325,918I appreciate the insight and advice Optomistic! Like you I am strapped for cash at the moment but looking on that guide I think I will incorporate green juices and get a lot more stricter with my diet in terms of carbs and certain fruit.
I brought the l-glutamine with a load of other supplements and enzymes a couple weeks ago fortunately.
I think on a scale of 1-10 in terms of strictness I was probably a 7, I'm gonna try crank it up to a 10 from now lol
Thanks again for the reply
Rossy- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,325,963Heya Rossy,
It is indeed my pleasure to respond! =D It feels good to be able to pass on some useful information that can help.
You are going to have a lot of difficult times ahead as many of us do adhering to such a strict regime that is so different from our pre-enlightened lives before we know what junk food and Antibiotics can do to us! Just do your best to stay strong and positive through it and continue reminding yourself what you are in it for: your life and health!
I find that when things get difficult sometimes I like to go over forum posts of people who have recovered after major battles with health, such as the story of the man whose protocol I followed and linked to you previously.
Those kind of stories really motivate me when I feel those urges coming on. I have not only learned to resist those urges, but to actually ENJOY SAYING NO!!! Once you feel like you regain power over something that has been beating you up for so long, you get a sense of confidence and peace that is so refreshing.
I am sure you can and will beat this thing. You're doing the right thing by coming here for support.
One other thing I didn't mention in my previous post that seems like many people have had real success with as far as cleaning out their bowels are things known as P&B shakes(psyllium husks and Bentonite clay). You may want to take a gander over at the 'Bowel Cleanse' forums as that is where you will find them. In case you want a quick link for a short definition I will post one here for you =D //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=64478#i
I personally have not tried them, but am thinking of doing a Bowel Cleanse with P&B shakes soon, followed by a liver flush. Best wishes!
-Optomistic- Re: Die off or something else? rossyarch
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This is a reply to # 2,326,093Thanks again for taking to time to give me more guidance, it really means a lot and I take everything on board!
The ingredients for the P&B shakes are quite affordable so I think I'm gonna go for it ASAP, I'll keep you posted on how it goes.
My gut feeling tells me that this candida has caused me 3 years of suffering in some form so I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
Hearing people's stories gives me that extra little bit of motivation.
Appreciate it Optomistic!
Rossy- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,326,107Hey Rossy!
Anytime, glad you are on here! You are in the right place =D
How have things been going since your last post? I had a quick question, what is your routine like, such as antifungals, cleansing/antibaterial foods, or probiotics/fermented foods?
Hope things are well!
-Optomistik- Re: Die off or something else? rossyarch
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This is a reply to # 2,326,786Hey Optomistic thanks for checking in! I'll try and cram everything in so it'll be quite a long post.
In the morning I;
- juice about 2 inches of ginger with a whole lemon and drink it straight with a couple gloves of garlic (every couple of days)
- eat a tablespoon worth of Colostrum powder
- take 1x desiccated beef liver supplement along with 1x Elite Liver natural liver support (for detoxification)
- a tablespoon of omega 3 fish oil
-My first drink of water will include a scoop of L-Glutamine powder and I will also dissolve a pinch of fresh Himalayan Sea Salt on my tongue to aid with adrenal function.
-For breakfast I will drink about a print worth of fresh milk kefir too
In the afternoon I usually snack on something small like almond nuts or Celery sticks. Sometimes I will cook my main meal early and eat bits of it throughout the day.
At dinner I;
- take Klaire Labs Interfase Plus enzyme supplements (usually before and after eating)
- 1x natural multivitamin
- Doctors Best Magnesium
- another spoon of omega 3 fish oil (high in EDA and DHA)
- ashwagandha or rhodiola rosea herbal supplement
- biotin
- Kelp (iodine source)
- chlorophyll
- and sometimes I will take another Elite Liver supplement
My dinner will usually consist of some form of fresh steamed veg (mainly broccoli, cauliflower or courgette/zuccini) with a bit of chicken or buckwheat pasta. I'll season foods with garlic etc.
Throughout the day I will also take medicinal charcoal which I've heard is good for pulling toxins from the body. I also drink plenty of water.
And finally in the evening I will drink more kefir!
I'm probably missing a couple points. One thing that I should mention is that recently I ran out of rhodiola and chlorophyll so I haven't been taking that this past week.
In terms of how I'm feeling;
I am doing slighttttly better since we last spoke. I still feel a bit faced out/disassociated from my surroundings however, and my energy levels are quite a way off from an optimal level. It's manageable though!
I have noticed teeth indents on the side of my tongue which are more prominent when waking up. I saw someone mention that this could relate to a hypothyroid issue? I was tested for hypothyroidism a year back and the results came back negative so I'm not sure if the teeth marks imply something.
Let me know your thoughts!
Rossy- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,326,919Hello Rossy!
Your routine seems very good, and I am glad to hear you are experiencing an improvement in some symptoms. I am sorry to hear you haven't experience great improvement yet, but I am sure that is to come! The brain fog that is so common with candida overgrowth/ parasite infestation can be so debilitating in terms of mood/memory/clear thinking.
Before reading my suggestions, you may want to read this post. Some great info on how to kill candida and this mans story of how he cured himself:
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2207315
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2207622
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2208079
Some things that may be of use to you during this time.
-Coffee enemas: will stimulate the liver/gallbladder which will bile release and aid in releasing toxins from the system. An overworked/backed up liver will continue to recirculate toxins leading to common 'die off' symptoms, ie brain fog, fatigue, bloating, etc. When I feel myself really starting to feel down and out I know my liver is starting to back up and I will do a large-volume (4 quart) Sea Salt enema followed by a coffee enema and then another large volume. Within an hour after this I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER! If you decide to do this make sure you do a retention enema at night with a great kefir/probiotic mix, as this will repopulate the colon directly. For resources on CE, SE and RE you can look here:
//www.curezone.org/art/read.asp?ID=28&db=5&C0=818
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=143583#i
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2278777#i
- parasite cleanse: If you have not yet done a parasite cleanse it is very possible you have them and they are feeding on you and releasing toxins which adds to the liver detox load. This may now be the source of alot of your issues if your candida is under control, or it could just be a combination of both wreaking havoc on you.
//www.curezone.org/cleanse/parasites/
-Essentail Oils: These are, imho, such a powerful weapon in the fight against candida. Since candida/ parasites have the ability to develop mechanisms/immunities against things that kill it, it is necessary a whole arsenal with a wide array of weapons to beat the little buggers. It is fairly inexpensive as well.
//www.curezone.org/FORUMS/am.asp?i=2275402
http://candidahub.com/essential-oil/Essential-Oils-for-Yeast-Infection
(I really like the second site!)
Oils: Extra virgin olive oil helps the liver to cleanse naturally, which can aid in removing toxins from the system. EV Coconut oil is super-potent against both candida and parasites. You can even try to do an extra virgin coconut oil detox to really kick the crap out of candida
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1231608
Herbs/Spices: Cayenne, ginger, cinnamon and other spices can also assist. I see that you already include ginger/garlic in your routine which is great. I absolutely LOVE cloves, so I order fresh, dried ones online and use a pestle and mortar to crush about 5 or 6 and add it to salads/etc. Cloves kick the crap out of parasites especially.
http://www.rickiheller.com/2014/06/9-common-herbs-spices-that-reduce-inflammation/
http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candida-fighting-foods.htm
http://www.naturalnews.com/033459_candida_natural_remedies.html
Sorry if this is WAY too much info but I think if you add a couple of these you can really ratchet up your ability to eliminate the source of your woes! Especially the coffee enemas and the parasite cleanse will help I believe. If you are still suffering from serious symptoms I would say that you need to do something to really shock and kill the candida ( parasites too if you have them, which you most likely do!) I have been expelling some terrible things during my parasite cleanse. You can see it here, but be warned, it is gross! The pictures are just the tip of the iceberg... I have been eliminating candida/parasites in massive droves for the last 4 days!!!
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2326491
As always, I wish you the best and hope for your continued recovery and improvement!
-Optimistik- Re: Die off or something else? rossyarch
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This is a reply to # 2,327,008Just checked out the pics and wowww that has really creeped me out! It must be good to get that crap out of your system, I'm kinda jealous in a weird way haha.
The info you gave me is again perfect and everything I could ask for. I've been doing a lot in terms of diet and supplementation but nothing in regards to parasite cleansing/bowel cleansing/colon cleansing.
I think the next step I'll take is the P&B shake Colon Cleanse like you suggested previously. For the past few weeks I've been having at most one bowel movement a day which can't be healthy for me right now.
I'm really strapped for cash at the moment which limits what I can do to fight this thing but for now I will take the time to look into the info you've given me to get a better understanding of how to tackle this thing once and for all.
Thanks again Optomistic, means a lot!
Rossy- Re: Die off or something else? Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,327,215My pleasure, Rossy!
I'm no expert but I am feeling so much better I just want to see other people win their fights, too! Best wishes =D
-Optimistik
PS: Feel free to PM whenever for any support or to bounce an idea off if you need it!- Re: Die off or something else? rossyarch
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This is a reply to # 2,327,309Will do! The ingredients for the P&B cleanse should arrive tomorrow. I'll keep you updated via PM
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This is a reply to # 2,325,914Your going to die :( I'm sorry. Jk lol
I had horrible Depression and anxiety only thing that worked for me was ozonated water.- Re: Die off or something else? diaz212
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This is a reply to # 2,325,926i now it looks silly but it work for me. this my advice
go to some poor place. just watch them for 1-2 hours looks how lucky you are my friends. trust me. we just need new fresh location
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