Tumor no shrinkage 
rawrnr
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Got my results
After about a 25 day Water Fast last year, a 23 one the year before, and now a 20 day one followed by 7 off and 11 on again. The tumor I was hoping to shrink is 4-6 cm bigger. So fasting did nothing. I withered away to 105 last year. I'm 5'8". This year went down to 112...
But my body did not touch the tumor.
I have an MRI in a couple weeks and then appointment to book surgery.
It's s big disappointment but no regrets trying in experimenting. Goal is to never have to do a long Water Fast again
Thank you all for your support, especially Archus and Chrisb over the years.
Be well everyone
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- Re: Tumor no shrinkage kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,298,699Sadly, this outcome is common. Many people here have not seen tumors or cysts shrink from fasting..
I have a 2cm Renal tumor that is pre-cancerous (50-80% chance of being malignant). Two fasts did nothing. I am currently doing a third one, but it may be my final one if there are not results.
Archus also has a benign kidney cyst. Each fast shrinks it, but it quickly grows back to its original size later. Hence, no real autolysis was happening, just a deflation/reflation..
Unfortunate..
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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This is a reply to # 2,298,704I'm sorry about your tumor...
I've had this for about 4 years.. It is benign. Or I'd be dead by now!
I wish I knew this 4 years ago when it was smaller... Everyone always talkin about autolysis... Seems like bullshit to me now..
Oh well
Learn and live
No more Water Fasts for me!!
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 2,298,709Much depends on the amount of toxemia that is present before any autolytic disintegration of tumors occurs
If toxemia is minimal before the commencement of a long fast, then autolysis will shrink and rid the body of tumors as long as they have not metastasized.
Two possibly three protracted fasts are required before this is successful, with very careful re-feeding in-between each.- Re: Tumor no shrinkage kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,298,713ChrisB1,
Interesting. So, I have a few questions, if I may :
1) What are the best principles for refeeding. I know that either juices (fruit or veg) and whole fruits are best, but how slow should the ramp up be? Some say one should only eat 2 oz of fruit every 2 hours, for the first two days, with only minimal increases after that.
2) Toxemia : How does one know what toxemia they have? If rawrnr did three lengthy fasts, and yet did not see autolysis, that puts the likelihood of autolysis into question. 25 day, 22 day, and 20 day are a lot, and the size of her cyst is large, meaning if the body did not draw from it for food now, it never will...
Why should toxemia obstruct autolysis? Do toxins have to be purged before autolysis happens? I thought the two were simultaneous and complementary.
3) In my case, this is my third fast (Day 6 of perhaps 8) after two of 8 and 13 days each. But this time, I don't have a metallic taste on my tongue, and urine is a normal color. Does this mean I have purged most toxins?
4) What if a tumor has metastasized? Why will autolysis not happen then?
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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This is a reply to # 2,298,762I also question my level of toxemia...
I have been a plant based vegan for over 20 years with months of all raw fruit the last 5-6 years...
I get disgustingly skinny fasting. My ribs all pop out and my stomach caves into itself. I look like a very successful anorexic!!
My legs, butt and boobs disappear... I have pics to prove this...
But even with most all fat gone...none of the tumor was used for fuel!?
It's even gotten bigger!
It is free floating and not attached to any organs as they can tell... MRI in a few weeks...
It is benign or I'd be head by now... I've had it for 3-4 years and it just keeps growing even with prolonged fasts and raw food.
It is time for surgery!!
- deposits DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 2,298,771For some reason I am thinking that it may be calcium deposits or bromide deposits or candida.
I believe before they used to think it was attached to the other organs. After your fasts it seems like it got separated?
Do you often eat baked goods or stuff made of ready to use flour (bromide, preservatives )?
I remember - maybe one of Shelton's patients it was - a lady who used to eat a lot of Turkey (she had farm for turkey birds). She developed a huge benign tumor on her clavicle, which was largely made of Sulfur deposits (if I am not mistaken - turkey seemingly has a lot of sulfur).
Just few thoughts.
- Re: deposits rawrnr
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This is a reply to # 2,298,781No... it has always been free floating!!
Don't eat much baked goods.... more of a raw dessert person. Maybe 4-5 times a year a bday cake slice...
I did have surgery in the area about 7-8 years ago and I am wondering if this was an doctors error.. like residue that was missed and my body just encapsulated it...
I remember feeling a small bump in the area months after... NOTHING else makes sense....
Regardless... It will be out of me by the end of march and Im getting 2 months off work to recover... silver lining...
But still
:(- Re: deposits chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 2,298,797"I did have surgery in the area about 7-8 years ago and I am wondering if this was an doctors error.. like residue that was missed and my body just encapsulated it..."
Ah, this seems like an important detail. So, it is connected to that surgery either physically, or some other way, by resonance.
Please see my other post, and do check out "The Truth is Funny". The next chance to connect will be Wednesday, 9 am Pacific time.
Chiron.
- Re: deposits chirontherainbowbridge
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- Re: deposits rawrnr
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- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 2,298,771Rawmr,
Despite the very best of diets, toxemia can still occur. This all depends on ones level of vitality, so if anyone has a lowered state of what Hygienists referred to as "nerve-energy" or "life-force", the body becomes inefficient in its process of nutrition and drainage, which results in the retention of toxins.
This also occurs if we eat when not very hungry or hungry at all, rather than when we are genuinely hungry.
Eating only one main nutritious meal per day, I gained 8 pounds for example.
I am curious as to how or why your tumor has stabilized or even grown in size, as there are many many cases on record of the autolytic disintegration of tumors.
I thank God for your sake your tumor is benign, and it seems that surgery may be the only option left.
Do you know the size of the tumor?
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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This is a reply to # 2,298,877I am at a loss too as to why fasting did NOTHING and I did get pretty skeletal.
According to the ultrasound its 20cm by 18cm by 12cm
It is life a sac of fat....
No one would know its there by looking at me. It in my retroperitoneum space
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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This is a reply to # 2,298,943I have an MRI in a few weeks to help them get a better reading. When I get those results, surgery booking will be done
I will keep you all posted
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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- deposits DesertLili
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- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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This is a reply to # 2,298,762this last fast which I ended 5 days ago was 20 days, 7 days off and then 11 more days on water...
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage rawrnr
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- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 2,298,762Kmg4,
Refeeding should be gradual and minimal, building up slowly to increasing amounts of nutrition. This depends exclusively on bodily demand.
I would recommend fresh juices to begin with, and that is because unless genuine hunger has returned, which in most all cases it hasn't, digestion needs to be renurtured back into full activity, and juices provide an easy way for the body to digest the nutrition without the bulk of fibre and wholefoods which can be taxing and lead to putrefaction/fermentation.
Whole fruits after a couple of days that are in season are best.
2) Toxemia : How does one know what toxemia they have? If rawrnr did three lengthy fasts, and yet did not see autolysis, that puts the likelihood of autolysis into question. 25 day, 22 day, and 20 day are a lot, and the size of her cyst is large, meaning if the body did not draw from it for food now, it never will...
A. The real clue as to how toxemic anyone is, is that within the first four days of the fast. If there are no symptoms of toxemia during that time period such as headaches, listlessness, weakness, toxic hunger symptoms, shakes or slight tremors, a sickly feeling, nausea, then toxemia is at a minimum.
Much depends on the conduct of the fast as to whether autolysis will be successful: the max' amount of rest must be adhered to, free from anxiety, stress and worries, drinking pure water only according to thirst. Excess water inhibits detox and diverts energy away from cleansing and healing.
Q. Why should toxemia obstruct autolysis? Do toxins have to be purged before autolysis happens? I thought the two were simultaneous and complementary.
A. The greater the presence of toxemia, means that the bodily energies are mainly preoccupied with cleansing, and away from healing, although some healing will still take place. If toxemia is minimal or not present, the bodily energies are devoted to healing exclusively.
Autolysis is not affected by the amount of toxemia, because this is a discerning bodily process that is concentrated on being "selective": it is a natural process aimed at utilizing the least essential tissues first and foremost, whilst simultaneously leaving and preserving the more essential tissues alone, otherwise the body would feed on its essential tissues indiscriminately (such as the heart muscle) and we would die within a short time frame.
3) In my case, this is my third fast (Day 6 of perhaps 8) after two of 8 and 13 days each. But this time, I don't have a metallic taste on my tongue, and urine is a normal color. Does this mean I have purged most toxins?
A. Yes it does for the most part unless you are drinking water to excess as the reason your urine is a normal color.
4) What if a tumor has metastasized? Why will autolysis not happen then?
A. If a tumor has metastasized fasting is of little benefit, and was the experience of Shelton.- Re: Tumor no shrinkage kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,298,831ChrisB1,
Thanks.
Autolysis is not affected by the amount of toxemia, because this is a discerning bodily process that is concentrated on being "selective"
But if rawrnr's tumor is now at least 10% of her body weight (probably 20% if bone is excluded), after three fasts of 20-25 days each, why is autolysis not happening? It seems like a 'now or never' for autolysis, in her case.
In my case, I have a small 2cm Kidney cyst, but it is probably malignant. I did two fasts of 8 and 13 days (although I had a lot of life anxieties during those fasts). There was no change in the cyst, despite 40 pounds of weight lost.
I also did not gain back the lost weight, which is not a good thing.
In this third fast (Day 7), I have minimal to no excess tongue coating or urine darkness. None of the other toxemia symptoms you mention either. But I have no idea if autolysis is occurring.
A. If a tumor has metastasized fasting is of little benefit, and was the experience of Shelton.
Why? What about those stories of people curing Stage 4 Cancer with a 40-day water fast?- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 2,298,905I suggest you scroll down to this heading where there are some testimonials.........
THE AUTOLYTIC DISINTEGRATION OF TUMORS
http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch5.htm
People who say they have eradicated stage 4 cancer with a 40 day fast are rare and not the norm, but I think we should also question the diagnosis as well.
I am at a loss to understand yours and rawrnr's lack of absorption.
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,298,935Archus's benign cyst also does not go down from autolysis while fasting. It shrinks but grows back again. Hence, there is no cumulative autolysis, just a deflation/reflation without any net progress.
There appear to be many examples of this, three on this board alone...
Shelton's book makes it seem like autolysis is so easy. But this appears to not be the case.- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 2,298,947If the body is deciding not to -for whatever reasons- autolyze or absorb, or in some way dissolve these
encapsulations, if we can call them that, that says to me there is
a non-physical component to them that is maintaining them.
The first place to look for "why" (again, in my view) is in the thought-system of the person in question. And what's called the field, which includes the body. This is not to, as they say, "blame the victim", but to simply look at the situation impersonally with an eye to resolving it.
There is a brilliant kind of energetic shifting that might help, in these cases. rawmr, please do a search on "The Truth is Funny" with Colette Stefan, and look at the radio show associated with the website. This is a call-in show, with no outlay required, other than making a call. . .
I don't want to flood the board with a lot of information that appears off-topic to water fasting.
I honestly would try the shifting with her, before I'd consider surgery.
best wishes
Chiron
- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chirontherainbowbridge
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- Re: Tumor no shrinkage chrisb1
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- Q: toxic vs true hunger DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 2,298,831Chris,
I have a question:
What is toxic hunger symptoms?
How do you make the difference with true hunger.
Some Hx connected to the question from the last of my fasts:
I was quite toxic for 8 days (where the first 3 my body was dealing with acute sinus congestion and got rid of it). I had increasing weakness, started being short of breath when going to the bathroom, or getting water, had muscle spasm-contractions which became more and more frequent including the night of day 8. That night I was extremely hungry, as in "I can not sleep in the night, just thinking of being hungry". I ate 2 small apples in the wee hours very slowly and did the same 3-4 times on day 9; this put me to sleep most of that day; I had also green juices during the first 3 days after breaking the fast, since I knew I have electrolyte imbalance (having these cramps, alleviated only by rest or spraying some potassium or magnesium on the muscles, or by Epsom Salt foot-soak). Then lettuce and fruit next 2 days. On the third day I was still very hungry and had 1 avocado, which tapered the hunger for 3 hrs, then I was hungry every 3-4 hrs, respectively ate small quantities chewing thoroughly, until on day 7-8 of re-feeding, I believe, I returned to pre-fast weight and my hunger normalized. I know it was not an ideally timed re-feed and was more than advised - but that insatiable hunger made me think it was what I need.
Was it really TRUE hunger, or toxic? or some kind of deficiency-fueled hunger?
Thank you,
DL
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