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I am near to completing Day 4 of my first ever water fast. The plan is 7-8 total days, so ending on Sunday or Monday.
1) My blood pressure *still* has not dropped. It is still in the 145/100 range. I thought fasting drops blood pressure quickly??
2) The knee pain I had for years is gone, that too on the first day of the fast (although I had cut out a lot of dairy/protein for 1 month prior to the fast, so maybe that is the reason, and it just happened to coincide with the fast). When I start eating again, we shall see if the pain stays gone.
3) I hope autolysis has started. I have a kidney cyst that is pre-cancerous but small in size. I also have a couple of harmless lipomas, that I can feel by hand (and thus use as a measure of whether autolysis is happening). Does autolysis eat the more recent bad tissue first, and older tissue last?
The big mystery is that I won't know the status of the cyst until another MRI, and my allopathic doctor will of course say it is time for partial/full nephrectomy if the cyst is the same size or larger.
4) How do you know if you have an electrolyte imbalance, heart attack risk, or other risk that can (rarely) happen in a fast? Similarly, how do I know if I am feeling True Hunger? At the moment, no cravings at all.
5) The coated tongue has started. But I don't know if the same would be the case if I just were not brushing and tongue-scraping twice a day as a normal routine. Not sure if this is exclusively due to the fast. I am not brushing my teeth, and I hope there is not tooth decay during the fast. How long does the coated tongue last? When it ends, is that a sign to end the fast?
I will be quite bummed if I get neither hypertension reduction or autolysis of my cyst, from this fast.
Oh, and one last one :
6) In searching all the archives for answers, there seems to be a great commenter named chrisb1, who knows an incredible amount. But it seems he stopped commenting here 16 months ago. Does anyone know if he is returning?
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- few thoughts DesertLili
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Hello kmg,
First, and sorry to disappoint you, but I find 8 days a quite short time to expect significant changes in the cyst. Second, your blood pressure is most probably tied up with the cyst, through decreased blood flow to the kidney, where the kidney itself generates high pressure to get some more blood pumping in (ref renal artery baro-receptors). Which means the cysts will need to get small enough in order for your BP to drop.
There was another faster recently, whose BP dropped around day 10-15, if I remember well. BP generally drops fast if the person doesn't have significant issues with BP, and is part of the lowering of the metabolic rate while fasting and part of decreasing the water/lymph-weight which held on toxins in the tissues prior to fasting.
You certainly will get more benefits. Almost everyone wants fast results, but few have them fast, and usually for conditions that were not there for long.
There was a good discussion on true hunger on this page or 1-2 pages before. Again - 8 days will not end up with true hunger, except in a relatively healthy child with little to fix or little fat reserves.
It was already discussed recently, that you can scrape your tongue with water and tongue-scraper, and brush and rinse without toothpaste.
- Re: few thoughts kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,272,063Hi DesertLili,
OK. I could extend it longer than 8 days, but since I have never fasted before, I didn't want to take any other risks in going longer.
How long do you recommend the fast be?
But if my cyst is only 2cm in diameter, won't autolysis consume it within 8, or 10 days?
Other than a coated tongue, I have no detox symptoms. Urine is normal, and there have been no bowel movements since the start.- Re: few thoughts DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 2,272,065I don't know if 8 -10 days will consume it. Only your body knows and can tell which is going to be done first and second and so on. It is like predicting the future - it is never accurate until it actually happens.
Also stay on a good diet following the fast.- Re: few thoughts kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,272,068So should I have a working assumption that UNTIL the blood pressure drops, the cyst is not gone?
My diet is pretty good, and the only bad thing I have to give up (and will) is coffee. Nothing else is very bad among what I have eaten over the last 10 years.
- Re: few thoughts DesertLili
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Yes, I would think so. I have not seen your tests, if you have any of your kidneys, so my guess about the cyst-BP connection is just that - a guess. But a very probable guess.
In any case, you may need to repeat the fasting experience. If I were you I would avoid dairy as well, or I maybe have raw goat yogurt, home made as you do, but in minute quantities and get more amino-acids from culturized nuts and green juices or slightly steamed greens. Also see how much Omega 3 replenishment you need, together with good Magnesium Potassium Calcium balance. .. and check vit D levels, since kidneys are crucial to getting the activated vit D.
- Re: few thoughts kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,272,144Yes, my vitamin D was very low (19). After learning of that, I do make a point to go out in the sun during mid-day and sunbathe (most skin exposed), but I don't know if that helps.
But everything else about my kidney function seemed fine in the blood and urine tests (it could be that the other kidney is doing double duty)..
I fully intend to do a ~8-day Water Fast every 3 months or so. But if what I need is one long one (21 days) instead of many 8-day ones, that could be a challenge..- Re: few thoughts DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 2,272,153You will find what is right for you, you are on the right path :) You may need to take some supplementation of D3 vitamin post re-feeding - the active form. 19 - is it the OH-vit D or is it the 2(OH)-vit D (activated in the kidneys)?
- Re: few thoughts kmg4
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This is a reply to # 2,272,156It just says :
Component Standard Range Your Value
VITAMIN D, 25-HYDROXY 20 - 79 ng/mL 19
I don't know if that is enough information.
Separately, regarding Potassium, *before* my fast, the readings were :
Component Standard Range Your Value
Potassium 3.5 - 5.3 mEq/L 3.6
So it was already 3.6. Is it possible that the fast is lowering potassium to dangerously low levels? I of course don't know what my potassium is during the fast...
AND....how does one ensure that their Ca/Ka/Mg are all in balance?
Thanks again for your help.
- minerals DesertLili
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Hulda Clark Cleanses
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This measure is for the inactive vit-D that the kidneys are then supposed to make it active. So your inactive D is 1 unit below the lower limit.
In the future it would be best if you aim for about 50-60.
Potassium levels vary from person to person. You may have had it at that level for years. Usually should not be a concern. How to take care of the mineral balance? -- leafy greens are invaluable in that regard. You should also check them at least once a year, until you establish that your kidneys are doing well.
One can opt for straight replenishment (given the soils are now depleted) by using drops like Concentrace TM, powders like Magnesium citrate, Potassium bicarbonate, Coral calcium to name a few. I have used all these and they seem to get you good results. I don't use them constantly, but when I feel my diet has been low on greens. I probably have had 2 pack of Mg and Coral Ca, and now don't really take them anymore, since I am betting on heavy home made leafy greens juices.
Given that you will not fast beyond 21 days, as you stated already, you will probably not get to low on potassium. I would do prophylactic sea-salt (not table salt ! - there is just few brands that have potassium in table salt ) feet soaking. And if you feel you may benefit from it also Epsom Salt soaking. For your next fast you can opt to replenish minerals before starting it.
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