Taking Iodine Without Extra Selenium 
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I'm going to try a new experiment with the Iodine and report back the results.
My thyroid pain and difficulties with speaking did not begin until I added selenium to the regimen. I get about 55mcg from my diet and added in about 150mcg from a supplement. As soon as I did this, I began having nearly uncontrollable muscle twitching at night and I began having problems speaking and tightness in the throat.
I cut out the Iodine and the selenium for a day and all these problems went away. No muscle twitching or speaking issues. Yesterday, I added in the selenium but no iodine. I felt a few pains in my thyroid area and the muscle twitching came back.
Before I added in the selenium, I felt warm, energetic, muscle pain was diminished, and my digestion improved significantly (before Iodine, I routinely got nauseous from eating).
I wonder if I just simply don't need the extra selenium and my body was reacting to that instead of the iodine.
So, I'm going to try the 50mg luugol's dose without any extra selenium (only the 55mcg I get from my food) and see what happens.
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This is a reply to # 2,262,588taking small breaks, like a day or two at the most, is a good idea. your thyroid has had to do without much Iodine if any. your halogen imbalance is individual to your environment. keep at it. you will get your thyroid turned around with patience and doing what you know is good for it.
if you are not on thyrod hormones you might try thyroid gland from nutrimeds. if you are not hypothyroid use the bovine thyroid. if you are experiencing hypo symptoms, use the porcine thyroid which is more bioidentical to human and has the effect of prescription armour in it.
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This is a reply to # 2,262,588What type of seleium, and were you using any Tri-methyl-glycine or beet juice at the same time?
I reacted badly to a selenium supplement which had unreacted elemental selenium in it- it was a yeast-based product.
Re a person reacting badly to selenium:
Newport's guide on selenium and interactions in the body (with fx flouride being the culprit):
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1101658#i
Reports on Newport's pointer of using TMG (Tri-methyl-Glycine) changing a person's experience with selenium from terrible side effects, to big benefits:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1611088#i
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This is a reply to # 2,262,661It looks like I was taking selenium chloride. Is this not a good form?
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This is a reply to # 2,262,674This is the first time I've even /heard/ of selenium chloride O_o;
Oooooh..
Chloride is the element that is reccommended for use when you need to detox bromide. It's the secret weapon for when using Iodine makes someone as cranky and moodswinging and teary that it looks like mental illness- because with Iodine displacing bromides and other halides from Iodine receptors and into the bloodstream, the brain goes wonk. The documentation on what bromide detox looks like and the list of symptoms is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Re0I1CxVrs7FBFjYAst6CcEUPS4rucIQjbPLXVquje8/edit (read a bit down, there are specific types of detox symptoms)
A salt flush uses sodium /chloride/ to shunt out bromides from the bloodstream
The problem definately looks to me like it's a matter of the wrong formulation of selenium. The body loves sulfur-bound selenium best, and once the two are bound together, it's much smoother sailing. Chloride..
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In addition to its functions as an electrolyte, chloride combines with hydrogen in the stomach to make hydrochloric acid, a powerful digestive enzyme that is responsible for the break down of proteins, absorption of other metallic minerals, and activation of intrinsic factor, which in turn absorbs vitamin B12.
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So your thyroid was swelling and you had joint and muscle pain- selenium is used primarily in those areas, but once the selenium molecule was used, you had free chloride in those areas? It's possible there was some extra hydrochloric acid being formed in the anatomy. Selenium has the funtion of reducing hydrochloric acid in the thyroid, (irony of ironies), but I haz the feels...
That more selenium chloride tossed on the fire wooouuldn't put out the blaze.
Now don't get mistaken.. Both chloride and selenium, independantly of eachother, are most excellent things..
But the supplements market is a creepy jungle, and them flavors of selenium come in a wide variety!
Here's a recent post on the very topic- and I suggest two good selenium products in it.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2261315#i
If the thyroid and muscle pains continue after a change in selenium supplement (to the bioavailable selenomethionine and selenocysteine forms), then you gotta grab the tri-methyl-glycine (or juice some beetroots. Fun with chemi-in-the-kitchen! 8) ) Beetroot juice is rather one of those.. potent health tonics. It's got Vit C, folate, TMG, everal B's, lotsa bioflavanoids, and no wonder the mideivil folk thought of it as a gooood aphrodesiac! ;) It can indeed make you a bit frisky.- Re: I hear the sound of science Stargazer1111
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This is a reply to # 2,262,753I tried selenomethionine last night.
It gave me the same problems.
I think I just don't need the extra selenium.
I've been consuming about 11 grams or so of chloride per day from himalayan salt, potassium chloride, and magnesium chloride.
The minute amount of chloride contained in selenium chloride would be unlikely to make any difference. It would only amount to about 45 micrograms per 100 micrograms of selenium since chloride makes up only about 30% of the compound.
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This is a reply to # 2,262,769It's the methylation cycle that needs looking at.
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Thank you for all the details about the chlorides and salt flushing, that's good info!
Reacting poorly to selenium indicates you may need help with making glutathione.
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Methylation issues are helped with B-complex vits that have folate (best is 5-mthf form), B-6 (Pyroxidal 5-phosphate form) and B12 (adenocobalamin and methylcobalamine) in.
I use TMG myself in 1.5-3g when I feel a need for help with the selenium. It is.. useful. :)
Newport has posted about it a lot.
Muscle twitching and issues speaking (switching around words, confusion, moodswings) can easily be a release of mercury. Collagenic and fatty tissues like the protective cells around neurons are known for getting locked up with mercury.
In that case, work on the methylation cycle.
The methylation cycle's the one that makes your glutathione, the main detoxifier and a major part of your energy levels and immune system.
Here's how it works:
Note he has 'SAM-e' marked on the whiteboard on the illustration of the methylation cycle-
Tri-methyl-glycine (TMG) is a precursor of S-adenosyl-methionine (SAM-e). In the liver, one of the methyl groups is loaned from TMG so it can be used in making glutathione. This process helps recycle homocysteine, which is one of the body's detoxing compounds..
When you have high levels of homocysteine in the blood, it feels especially achy in the joints- it can lead to a lot of crankiness and feels a bit like the flu.
The methylation cycle is necessary to breaking down that homocysteine.
SAM-e and TMG accomplish the same goals in the liver, but the difference is that TMG has three methyl groups in it and SAM-e has two methyl groups.
TMG costs a lot less
SAM-e is sold as a mood stabilizer and for healthy joints. (and TMG accomplishes the same goal)
.. It's just cheaper than SAM-e because it's extracted from beetroot juice.
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This is a reply to # 2,262,753Interesting. My acupunturist recommended me to try beetroot extract for my high blood pressure. It definitely helped somewhat. Still taking it, but have added various things since.
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This is a reply to # 2,262,588
Hi...I've been taking 50 mgs (8 drops) of 5% lugols iodine per day for the last 10 years and never had a problem with it. I've also been taking the full lugol's iodine companion nutrients that you should always take whenever you supplement iodine. The full and proper protocol that you should be taking with lugols iodine or iodoral is shown here.
It's difficult to say whether your problems are entirely due to the thyroid. The symptoms that you mention could also fit other diseases like Candida, CFS, SIBO or IBS. And if you also have skin problems plus digestive problems plus a white tongue plus low thyroid and you've used antibiotics for long periods in your life then you may well have a systemic candida problem caused by a compromised and greatly weakened immune system.
Doctors are not very accurate or consistent at properly diagnosing candida so you'll have to find out for yourself. Best way is to go to this link and take Dr William Crook's questionnaire shown here.
Another thing you can do, which doesn't cost much, is just get a hair analysis. This will tell you what heavy metals you have in excess in your body and will also tell you what vitamins and minerals you are also lacking. If you are high in heavy metals and poisons with a lack of vitamins and minerals then this will confirm a low or compromised immune system and you can act on this and start taking the appropriate nutrients to resolve it.And selenium is a primary detoxer for mercury and the primary anti-oxidant that gets rid of hydrogen peroxide(free radical) during the production of thyroid hormones. Selenium is the main metallic component for the manufacture of glutathione in your body -- a master anti-oxidant and heavy metal detoxer. So the pain in your muscles may well be due to mercury poisoning. One thing's for sure -- you have low glutathione levels in your body. So when your body suddenly starts to detox properly again via the increased glutathione levels (because of the extra selenium) then your body will naturally begin to more efficiently be able to remove all that stored mercury from the cells and dump this into the blood. Unfortunately, if your mercury levels are high, then your liver may not be able to cope with its removal and that's when these heavy metals get redistributed causing all the digestive issues, muscle pain and other symptoms. So if I were you, I would persist in taking the selenium and the rest of the co-factors and minerals with the iodine if you want to get these heavy metals out of your body. If you don't take anything for it then the heavy metals will steadily keep increasing in your body and your condition will likely worsen over time.
If you find that you do have systemic candida then you will have to take a larger protocol to get rid of it like the one shown here.
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