salt pushers 
iodineWXU
10 y
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here we go again folks.
some people who seem to be somewhat intelligent from their postings are perpetuating incorrect and incomplete information. it seems like the source of this is again trapper. i don't know what hold he has on everyone, but the information about salt pushers and salt loading is getting crazy.
first of all, let me acknowledge that in some cases people do need to take extra salt. in hypotensive people, or people with certain varieties of adrenal insufficiency where there exists low aldosterone salt can help to balance things out. though even here, it is just something to help and not even the remedy. and even in these cases too much salt is not a good thing.
the bad: hypertensive people should never take excess salt. it can raise blood pressure to dangerous levels and increase risk of cardiac events.
the very bad: salt pushing is not the same as liver flushing. you cannot just haphazardly start pushing too hard on the kidneys if you have kidney stones, you will wind up in the hospital in extreme pain and possibly have to get cut open. the kidneys are very delicate like the lungs and care must be taken to go slow and steady. if you want to cleanse the kidneys make damn sure you have no stones first. if you suspect stones they start reading about the various kidney cleansing herbs and teas.
i'm sure some of these people are getting benefit themselves, but they are absolute moronic in presenting the idea of a one size all plan for the kidneys.
salt has been used medicinally in some cultures, but you must be under proper supervision if you are going to start megadosing.
the people who are just reflexively repeating what trapper says about salt are both wrong and irresponsible.
imo salt is a food and you should eat it according to taste. forcing salt down your throat because internet zealots have somehow come up with these new bizarre ideas is a dumb idea.
one good idea with any food is to only eat it if it tastes good. please be careful of the zealots.
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- Re: salt pushers Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,211,994My experience; nothing works better for head ache than salt, but of course; if low in potassium it may not work.
My ex mother in law avoided salt for many years, still do; her BP is dangerously high in spite of avoiding salt for decades. Several strokes, not doing well.
My own mother avoided salt for many years as well, she was sick for years; better when I almost had to force salt on her (together with iodine), as she was close to dying at one point, 15 years she was ill, now doing very well for her age.
- After 2-3 years of putting salt in all her water, she had an ER visit after a bicycle accident. Lost conciousness several times, upon blood tests after the accident, all they could find was a low natrium (salt)
Adrenals need salt; you say. Yes; they do. The adrenals have a big say in blood pressure.
I completely agree about the taste for salt is the way to go. But most people I know havent learned how to do this, they are indoctrinated to believe that salt is bad for them.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/25/why-has-this-li...
I have taken large amounts of Himalayan salt for 8 years now, adjusted with potassium the last year. Smooth blood pressure all the way. Nice and low as my MD would say.
Ps; why bring Trapper into everything?
- Re: salt pushers iodineWXU
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,212,005gina:
you are obviously an intelligent vixen.
but you are demonstrating some serious reading comprehension deficiency here.
i made a few points, and i guess i need to repeat them again.
you have a habit of relaying your personal experiences which is all well and good. and it's great that you and your aunties feel good with salt. but there is this great leap you constantly make that since it worked for 2 people then it is the answer for everyone.
when you make these fanciful leaps i cannot take you seriously.
v is always careful to phrase things properly and not goad people into making rash decisions.
and since you happen to be of a normal intelligence level compared to the masses of retarded people who are unable to formulate complete sentences, people are taking your word for gospel. trapper is the one who has come up with this salt push idea. you and he are pushing the push as a solution for everyone, and it is just not so.
the fluid regulation mechanisms are very complex. (actually fluid regulation/intake etc as i am studying now is more important than almost everything talked about on curezone but that's another story) you cannot just throw salt at everything and expect it to work. also you have to look at nature and the sodium content of fruits and vegetables - which is what human beings are designed to eat. fruits and vegetables would skew towards higher sodium than potassium if that was how humans were built. and it's not just about sodium and potassium. you have a flawed way of reducing everything to these simplistic ideas. just because you made some good connections it does not mean it is a universal truth.
it is probable that the people who are doing well with extra salt are adrenal insufficient or of a particular body constitution, but this is a wild guess and i'll be the first to admit it. adrenal insufficiency sure is a very common theme among the sick. but there will always be the exceptions. this is why i told you to take on individual cases instead of trying to practice medicine in curezone soundbites.
some people add in a lot of salt and things work better. other people add in extra salt and they become hypertensive, excess sweating, irritable and overheated. it just depends on the person. and i don't want to hear trapper yap away about how good extra sweating is just because he did it. abnormal perspiration is a sign of being unbalanced.
i did not say the adrenals need salt, you misquoted me. i said that in some cases of adrenal insufficiency salt will balance things out. not even in all cases. it happens to be a complex issue and very individual.
i also happen to agree with barefoot in that all minerals should come from fruits and vegetables, preferably in their raw state. chris bragg was also very adamant about minerals coming from food sources.
just like Iodine i have tried the salt pushes so i'm not just criticizing the idea here without experimentation first. i have talked about the issue with some heavy hitting doctors in the east and the advice was salt to taste, which also happens to match my highly advanced sense of intuition. when i feel a cold coming on often i'll crave salt and eat a few teaspoons in a day and that will usually knock it out before it comes on.
am i running around trying to convince everyone to eat salt when they have a cold? of course not. that's troll business.
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- Re: salt pushers #68716
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This is a reply to # 2,212,012"but there is this great leap you constantly make that since it worked for 2 people then it is the answer for everyone."
I didn't get that impression.
"....and since you happen to be of a normal intelligence level compared to the masses of retarded people who are unable to formulate complete sentences, people are taking your word for gospel."
The masses always contain people who are normal, people who are better than normal, and people who are less than normal. Individual thought, action and achievement can be exercised in a free society. In a collectivist society, the individual no longer matters, and the collectivist seeks to stifle the activity of the individual, using damage to some group as a basis. But is also true in television, where the "news" is not required to tell the truth, and less than normal people take it as gospel. There are many other schemes whereby groups much more nefarious than posters on curezone take advantage of the less normal people. So it appears to be a widespread phenomenon.
"trapper is the one who has come up with this salt push idea. you and he are pushing the push as a solution for everyone, and it is just not so. "
It was actually an MD, a certain Dr. Shevin who pushed the salt flush. Understand, when coming to CZ, people could post "Here is Dr. Shevin's article on salt loading", and post the link. Other viewers would see it and say "wow", or "ok", or "cool, thanks" and that'd be the end of it. Other blatantly-obvious options for discussion would be to alter the amounts of salt. One can go lower, or one can go higher. So, you have people saying "take a lot of salt". My guess is this is nothing new, people have been saying to take a lot of salt for millenia.
"just because you made some good connections it does not mean it is a universal truth."
Definitely not. These guys are just saying to take more salt. I note that the media tells people to eat canola oil and a bunch of other polyunsaturated crap that's been proven to inhibit thyroid and implicated strongly in arteriosclerosis, on a mass communication scale. Nobody's being forced to take any salt, what's forced on the masses are those oils, GMO's, bromate / bromide. The world is full of people telling us what to do. Each person gets to decide for themselves, in a free society.
"... instead of trying to practice medicine in curezone soundbites."
Nobody practices medicine on a webpage without somehow first contracting for medical services. I was never asked to contract. I never viewed any single posting on the CZ website as being practice of medicine by anybody, but that's just my impression.
I think people on here's advice, is pretty harmless. About half of it's bunk, and of the other half only about 1/5 is actually potentially useful. So I always take everything I read, on CZ and elsewhere, with a few grains of salt.
- Re: salt pushers hanna
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,212,012
This is the problem that every forum has its own protocol.
My CZ life started off with Andreas Moritz cleansing, right food and no supplements. It worked for 2 years then I needed different food for my body and found help in some supplements. Did Barefoot too, did not work for me, too much fruit though I love it.
In principal you can attack almost any forum since it does not work for everybody. I keep trying to tell people to do searches on All Forums to see what will work for your own body.
I would suggest to everybody liver flushing, colon and kidney cleansing and then start adding.
May be as far as salt goes people should do the homeopathic
salt test first.
http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1639Advertisement
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- Re: salt pushers grizz
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,212,024Hanna,
I really like your link.
When I used to work at a Motorola factory with no air conditioning (sweat shop) they had salt dispensers at every water fountain, to help prevent people from passing out on the production lines.
Here is your link again, this one should work.
http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1639
Grizz- Re: salt pushers Montmorency
9 y
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This is a reply to # 2,212,035Just wanted to add that one food source of potassium that people might neglect is liver. I believe 100g of lamb or beef liver contains about 350mg of potassium, more than your average banana, and without the starch, although it does contain some sugar, in the form of glycogen.
Definitely worth having in the diet for non-vegetarians.
I read that 1 oz of lambs liver contains about the RDA of copper, and 1 oz of beef liver contains twice that much.
So if you have one 7oz serving of either, once a week, you should be ok for copper.
In addition, if you eat some muscle meat throughout the week, it's rich in zinc, and you should probably ok from a copper-zinc balance point of view. As always though, you are dependent on the soil where the animals were raised. If you know for sure they are from copper and/or zinc poor areas, then cautious supplementation might be an idea.
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@IodineWXU
Well you keep demonstrating your own prejudice in favour of fruit and vegetables, ignoring apparently the obvious evidence that our ancestors consumed animals as well, which would have pushed the balance at least somewhat back in sodium's favour. And in recorded history, people have always made use of salt when they could get it (as do animals), and of course it's been highly valued, throughout history.
(And in case you want to question my ability to form a complete and correct sentence, "favour" is not a spelling error, but the way my country spells it).
- Re: salt pushers #68716
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- Re: salt pushers grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,212,005Gina and Trapper are fully supported by the doctors that I frequently quote.
Dr. Brownstein:
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"See how adding the right kind of salt to your diet can help:
Fatigue
Adrenal Disorders
Immune System Function
Thyroid Disorders
Headaches
Cholesterol Levels
Blood Pressure
For years, we have heard the following: A low-salt diet is healthy. There is no difference between table salt and Sea Salt . Low-salt products are better for you. These are the myths of salt. Dr. Brownstein will present the research on salt that will change the way you look at this vital substance."
More here:
http://www.drbrownstein.com/Salt-Your-Way-to-Health-p/salt.htm
If y'all don't like Dr. Brownstein, we have Dr. Jeffery Dach:
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"The low salt diet is counteracted by compensatory mechanisms that release harmful substances into the bloodstream, hormones and chemical mediators that counteract the “low salt diet”. The released chemical mediators include insulin, epinephrine, norepinephrine, renin, aldosterone, etc. These are harmful and damaging to the vascular system.....
" Clinical Uses of Natural Sea Salt
Adrenal Exhaustion: Sea Salt is essential for treatment of adrenal fatigue.
Diabetes, Elevated Blood Sugar- It is impossible to control blood Sugar on a “low salt diet”. These do well on sea salt.
Muscle Cramps – often relieved by minerals in Sea Salt.
Osteoporosis Treatment requires minerals found in Sea Salt
Hypertension – Low salt diet causes increased mortality. Use natural sea salt, with reduction in blood pressure noted in any cases....
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Natural News report:
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The sodium-potassium connection
"Sodium and potassium are essential dietary minerals and electrolytes, meaning that they dissociate into ions (charged particles) in solution, making them capable of conducting electricity. Normal body functioning depends on the right regulation of sodium and potassium both inside and outside of cells.
Sodium is the principal ion in the fluid outside of cells, while potassium is the principal ion in the fluid inside of cells. Sodium concentrations are more than ten times lower inside than outside cells, and potassium concentrations are about 30 times higher inside than outside cells. The concentration differences between potassium and sodium across cell membranes create an electrochemical gradient known as the membrane potential. A large portion of energy in the body is dedicated to maintaining sodium/potassium concentration gradients, underscoring the importance of the balance between sodium and potassium in sustaining life. Tight control of cell membrane potential is critical for heart function, as well as nerve impulse transmission and muscle contraction."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/024539_potassium_sodium_diet.html
Best to all,
Grizz- Re: salt pushers iodineWXU
10 y
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
greeting reading comprehension challenged people who love to spam the same doctors sites over and over:
no one said low salt diet.
what you are doing is commonly referred to as the straw man argument. but you have taken it to new retarded extremes.
the person (term used loosely) concocts a presumed argument that the original poster never made and then argues against such.
there is sodium present in almost all fruits and vegetables bigneck.
whether we need to start doing pushes and megadoses of things is what i am questioning.
for every brownstein in the world there are at least 100 others who will actually advocate a low salt or no salt diet. i could waste 10 minutes of my life and spam you with 100 links but what's the use.
you are the strawman king you can do anything.
now let's talk about fluid regulation mechanisms viz a vis your neck. how much water does it take to process all the meat you are eating? how much extra salt do you need to intake in order to absorb all the extra water you need in order to process the meat you are eating?
let's all take trapper's best advice and cure ourselves with fruit fasting.
what y'all are doing is poisoning yourselves with incorrect diet, and then compensating for it with other measures. the net effect may be slightly positive in some areas but i can tell from the reading comprehension issues that you are not ready to listen to logic.
god bless you hanna but for cripes there is information in this world outside of curezone.
- Re: salt pushers Stalactite
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,212,039I thought you were against using one thing as a cure-all but now you're advocating fruit fasting?
- Re: salt pushers iodineWXU
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This is a reply to # 2,212,040Dear stalag:
that point was slghtly tongue in cheek but not completely.
trapper has repeatedly posted that fruit fasting is what actually cured him. i don't know what he is cured of though.
so if that is true then he should be primarily trying to get people to fruit fast if he wants to help people, something i have my doubts about.
however on the serious side i think fruit fasting has its place. actually i think fruit eating should be a goal to work toward. it looks like it takes a lot of time to even get to the point where it is feasible.
- Re: salt pushers Ginagirl
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"it looks like it takes a lot of time to even get to the point where it is feasible."
Yes, at an Iodine debate forum that could take quite some time. Ever tried the Diet Forum s?- Re: salt pushers iodineWXU
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This is a reply to # 2,212,096fiesty fiesty
if you followed the thread by somehow getting past your reading comprehension problems you would have gleaned the relevance:
that the megadosers are compensating for an incorrect diet.
normal doses of Iodine could be good who knows.
highly relevant even for a support forum.
nice try, keep pecking away.
meanwhile there are tons of posts on #your# forum about diet.
you really do like to stir up trouble don't you.
- Re: salt pushers iodineWXU
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- Re: salt pushers Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 2,212,039Please tell us about the logic you would like us to listen to. I have an idea what it will be like, but feel free to surprise me:)
- Re: salt pushers #68716
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This is a reply to # 2,212,039I have megadosed extensively. Not only on things like wine, women, and song, but also iodine, potassium, glazed donuts, soda drinks, cheesecake, work, and many others.
I found sometimes megadosing can be fun, but its not without its inherent dangers. Some of us just like to take a little more risk than others. Same way in the stock market, and in love also :)
Maybe there should be a megadoser forum, where people can all share their megadosing stories on various things. I once ate four fully-loaded bagels in a single setting- Re: salt pushers #89471
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This is a reply to # 2,212,046I megadosed on Patron one evening and ended up being pushed around in a grocery shopping cart.
I think I laughed the whole time.- Re: salt pushers #68716
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This is a reply to # 2,212,051I megadosed on Magnesium one evening, and I ended up having to stay home and miss my date with the lovely MS. GIGADOSER.
- Re: salt pushers #89471
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This is a reply to # 2,212,099That might have worked in your favor.
The last thing you needed was little MINIDOSERS running around getting into all of your supplements.
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- Re: salt pushers hanna
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This is a reply to # 2,212,046That is funny megadoser I once
ate a dozen vanilla pudding filled donuts for supper.
For the rest I am a more moderate person and look at things from all sides. I have never gotten drunk I stop before it gets that far. I have my own view on investing and have always cash on hand hoping for a 2009 tumble.
I watch the traders on tv but don't do what they do. A lot of things we do are probably dependent on our personalities. It is hard for me to overdose on supplements.
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Of course WXU I learned it a long time ago when everybody was pushing alkalinity, while it was never discussed before, and I found different information
on the internet. CZ often goes in cycles depending on
the interest of the posters.
Since alternatives have gotten more popular there is a lot to find on the internet.
In the end we have to make up our own mind. - Re: salt pushers b3nault
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This is a reply to # 2,212,039In your opinion, what is the correct way to eat? What is the proper diet?
- Re: salt pushers b3nault
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This is a reply to # 2,212,039In your opinion, what is the correct way to eat? What is the proper diet?
- Re: salt pushers trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 2,212,121a good way to get a dog to swallow a pill is to tuck it in a ball of raw hamburger and hand it over. watch your fingers.
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This is a reply to # 2,211,994what a load of crap.
see, if you are not Hv you are f***ing channelling him. you have some right info in there. you have zero understanding of it except how to use it against those people and ideas that you oppose.
youre good, but we have already seen all the movies youre in and you have still added nothing new.- Re: salt pushers grizz
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This is a reply to # 2,212,293IodineWXU is our old nemesis
#186736/UserX/#69242
He changes userID's like a game of Whack-a-mole
He could be a terrific leader and have his own forum if he tried. He could start his own Frugivore Forum.
#186736/iodineWXU its not too late to repent and change your evil ways, what forum would you like to start?
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