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Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... saywhatagain
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Sorry about all the problems you are having. The dark circles around your eyes are most likely due to stress on your kidneys. I would forget this alternative doctor, you absolutely do not need progesterone. Your endocrine system is actually probably stimulated to produce large amounts of sex hormones but is unable to use them properly. Progesterone is the opposite of what you need. You need to pacify your sex hormones get them to calm down a bit and provide proper nourishment to your body. I don't know what your diet is like currently, but your optimal diet will probably include plenty of healthy carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are very nourishing and help the body to build tissue, at the same time they will reduce your body's tendency to overstimulate production of sex hormones. You should include plenty of fresh sweet fruit in your diet, healthy grains like amaranth, white basmati rice, I think wheat is okay if it is proper wheat, such as Kamut wheat and other ancient varieties. Ghee (which is clarified butter) would also be beneficial for you. You may also need to include some meat in your diet as this can help to remove weakness but you should only eat lean meat such as chicken breast and possibly some fish, and you should not use too much as any meat will increase the production of sex hormones. If you have hypoglycemia when eating carbohydrates, you should eat carbohydrates every couple of hours, over time the hypoglycemia will decrease. As far as Lyme, parasites, candida, you could very well have these but I wouldn't worry about that until you can get your body more back into balance. Send me a private message if you have any questions about these recommendations.
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... sduifvnbss
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,109,453GUARANTEED mercury toxicity
I am in the same boat as you and in the progress of curing myself.
Oral DMPS for the mercury.
Neomycin for the SIBO that is probably causing your constipation.- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... sduifvnbss
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... randomgirl0106
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This is a reply to # 2,112,534Yeah probably. I called my mom the other day and asked her exactly how many mercury fillings she had before she got pregnant with me. She said AT LEAST 20. I was screwed even before I was born :(- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,112,608Go easy on your mom. She did not know. She trusted the dentist like so many of us did.
Check out this poignant post by a doctor and a mother of an autistic son.
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/7539.html
Thankfully he greatly improved on treatments that included low, frequent dose oral chelation.
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/4930.html
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/950.html
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2487.html
Her patients got some nice gains too on a variation of Cutler's protocol.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm#results
Thankfully there is hope for you. Unfortunately there is no quick fix. I agree that oral DMPS taken every 6 or 8 hrs every weekend is nice in the beginning for those who are quite sick. However, eventually you'll want to use LA--safely--to move the inorganic Hg out of the brain.
Much more could be said.
Joe
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... sduifvnbss
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... onlyway
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453Your Doc is an idiot! You have lyme!! You tested pos for it then you most certainly have it and probably several coinfections - some of your symptoms are very common with lyme coinfections. Here is a good site that will explain the various coinfections: http://www.lyme-symptoms.com/
here is a chart that lists them all out in one place: http://www.lyme-symptoms.com/LymeCoinfectionChart.html
Ok. So now what? you have lyme so what to do? I used the cowden protocol and had good success and I was much worse off then you are. This protocol also deals with metal toxicity chich always goes along with lyme. The lyme bugs eat your good metals so your body hangs on to bad metals like mercury to make the electrical circuits it needs. Here is a link to a site that tells all the products: http://www.nutramedix.ec/ns/
and here is a place to buy the products: http://www.nutramedix.com/
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... randomgirl0106
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This is a reply to # 2,112,554I tested negative for all coinfections actually. So I don't know. I also only tested positive for an acute test of lyme and was negative upon retesting so I don't know.
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... #177043
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453Hi,
I am 31 years old, but first started having issues around your age. I almost had to drop out of college. The first thing I remember is debilitating tiredness. All the time. Then, I got sick very easily. This progressed to chronic sore throat, lymph nodes swollen, muscle pain, joint pain, poor memory and cognitive impairment ( i got lost going places i had been before!) My doctors did not know what to do with me, they tested me for Lyme disease, mono, you name it. I had blood tests run which all came back "normal." But even if your blood tests are within normal range, it doesn't mean its normal for YOU, especially if there are a cascade of ill effects going on.
Your first step, before you run out and buy cleanses or convince yourself of heavy metal poisoning (I am not discounting that, I just think it best not to jump to vague theories), is find a doctor that is experienced. I went to a doctor who specializes in CFS. I was ultimately diagnosed with CFS, and had hypogammaglobulemia (mainly, a low subclass of IgG of unknown cause). I was negative for adrenal and thyroid issues, but did have iron deficiency. You need to rule out those type of causes of disease first, and treat them if found. My primary care doctor tested me and my iron levels came back normal, but the tests my specialist did were more sensitive and told a different story.
I still have issues, and am currently planning on more tests, like Lyme. Standard Lyme tests are only 50% accurate, so you really need to find someone who knows what tests to run. Don't let people tell you its depression. I was told I was depressed for YEARS. I do suffer from depression, but its not the cause of all my problems. Depression is an easy category to put someone in, because there are a lot of side effects that are vaguely related.
My other advice is start using all natural body care products (many products contain estrogen mimics which could exacerbate your situation) and try to by organic to reduce your pesticide loads. Look into your medications. Hormonal birth control is often prescribed to people your age, especially for "regulation" or Acne treatment. Long term use of them can cause a lot of the symptoms you display for instance. And good luck. Find a doctor that takes you seriously. You can also look into an naturalpath Doc to balance your treatment (just be careful, they often make $ selling the products they tell you you need, so make an informed decision on what you might follow)- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... Tizona
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... #177043
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This is a reply to # 2,113,510I was put on an anti-inflammatory and Antibiotics for a period of time, and my iron levels were corrected. My inflammation eventually went down (C reactive protein test) and my iron levels increased. Unfortunately now I am relapsing on some symptoms, though my IgG levels are good. Either I have a defect somewhere OR i am suffering from something of unknown cause.
- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... #177043
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... Tizona
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... CuteLion
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453ON THE OTHER HAND - and what I'll say is true ONLY if there is a valid reason to even consider heavy metal poisoning (like Amalgam fillings or lots of certain types of sea food in the diet):
All those endless tests are A LOT more expensive than simply TRYING to see what happens with a chelator. DMPS is "mostly harmless" (using a Douglas Adams quote). I'm not going to waste space on the endless discussion of DMPS and DMSA, to be honest: if you are too afraid then I could not care less, my time is too valuable to waste it in these forums. I just felt I had to say something. Myself, I doubted the "it's all caused by the Amalgam (i.e. the mercury mostly)" for 1-2 years while getting DMPS regularly, and the doctor who gave them (but he did!) also said similar things to what you said and checked LOTS of other things (all for naught). I have made HUGE improvements, after 2 years there was no more doubt for me and for my doctor that it was the mercury.
But back to the beginning: A 100% (or even 50%) correct analysis of whether or not heavy metals are the cause IS IMPOSSIBLE. Maybe in a hundred years. Almost ALL treatments in medicine are "let's try and see if it helps", for some reason whenever heavy metals are suspected and the chelators used to treat them are A LOT better tolerated than e.g. Antibiotics there's an outcry "don't try this, first make 10000 other tests".
So, just try it. Your symptoms ring more than just one bell, on the other hand if you didn't have any direct contact with heavy metals yourself, only through your mother, well, I've no idea how well-founded the hypothesis that the mother gave you significant amounts of mercury is.
Anyway, you should understand that, regardless of all the "great" advice especially here in these forums, your best chances are to "keep moving". TRY stuff. Nobody knows! I've gone through my fair share of medical and biology lectures. It is amazing how much we know, I actually cried occasionally because I was so awed. Yet we know NOTHING, really, when it comes to solving problems such as yours, it's a lot of blind guessing. The worst part, even if something actually helps you don't know if what was treated was the actual cause or if only the symptoms were suppressed. A lot of people feel better when doctors give them a "name" (of a disease) - but doctors have LOTS of names for "diseases" that they have no idea what caused them, and even less about how to cure it (how often is the only advice they have to simply cut something out of your body?).
So if you want to know if heavy metals, mercury, could be the cause, try DMPS and/or DMSA (DMPS is **MUCH** more effective). Using it just once won't give a definite answer (unless it already causes improvements), you may need 3-5 treatments before seeing/feeling an effect. However, chelators are benign, whatever people may say. I would be MUCH more concerned about the money and time for all those tests that some poster here proposes (the only reply I read and it cause me to reply, usually I keep my mouth shut these days) - they are all non conclusive whatever the result, none of them establish a cause.
I feel really bad about giving any advice, because while I cured myself (where 1 professor and >10 doctors failed again and again, and the one university doctor who is left doesn't really know but is helpful nevertheless; but I beat them all not just a little but by several orders of magnitude as far as the size of my success can be measured in any way) I spent LOTS of resources (money but mostly time), definitely not an easy path, and of course I have no idea if any of it really helps others. It's just that when I read that lengthy reply here that you should not consider heavy metals so quickly and first do tests a, b, c, d,.... I jumped. Those are all expensive and time consuming, and even if you get a result it doesn't help at all, because none of those tests establishes a CAUSE, and you already know you have problems.Advertisement
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... nyckid10
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This is a reply to # 2,113,750I AGREE WITH CUTELION! There is a cause to everything. People exhibit symptoms b/c of some culprit....whether it's their genetic predispositions to metals or whatever. But you really can't go wrong with treating metals b/c atleast you're treating a CAUSE and not an EFFECT of something hidden. Also please don't discount the gut issues....if they progressed enough, you have to keep that in control until you chelate. Otherwise you won't be able to properly detox from the metals and bad bugs.
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This is a reply to # 2,113,814Well for the gut issues DMPS or DMSA capsules seem to be very good. I've done chelation for more than 3.5 years and have few issues left (focus is in the jaw bone area, not surprisingly), but whenever I go on a DMSA Cutler round (for 10-14 days, 100mg DMSA capsules and 200mg ALA every 3 hours) my stool goes from "quite good/okay" to "very good" during the round. That's why I conclude that for the gut chelator in capsules is good. While for the rest of the body the problem is that only 10-20% of the chelator makes it into the blood stream this could be just what the gut needs.
By the way, I also concluded (by personal long-term experiment) that Candida issues during/after chelation are not related to the chelator (it is claimed DMSA supports Candida growth directly), but to mobilized heavy metals that end up in the gut. Proof: I take more DMSA than ever, and directly into the gut (I used to do DMPS infusions mostly), but have less gut issues (like bloat) than ever before. If DMSA were directly to blame for Candida growth that could hardly be the case, so I DE CLARE it (just another) urban legend (about chelators).- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,113,940Actually I'm not surprised that you are doing so well with your gut symptoms when you can tolerate those very nice doses of chelator. You are apparently well on your way to recovery. Good for you after all you've endured for many years! Many people, including autistic kids, report an improvement in gut problems after many months of chelation.
However in the large Yahoo chelation groups for adults and autistic kids, it has been reported countless times that DMSA is difficult to use in the early months when there is a history of gut, especially candida, problems.
Cutler has acknowledged this and provides tips for dealing with it; however, now that DMPS is more readily available than it was just a few years ago, it is so common for the very sick members to just use DMPS in the early months.
Btw, I've done fine on modest doses of DMSA, however, a close female friend can start to have problems if she uses DMSA more than once per month or so. She does well on DMPS + ALA.
It was kind of you to share your thoughts and experiences with our very sick members. I've had similar experiences with my doctors over many years. So many of us in detox groups are frustrated with the impotence of our many doctors.
I hope your recovery continues!
Joe
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... CuteLion
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This is a reply to # 2,114,005That is why I was on DMPS and infusions for the first 1.5-2 years. I only switched to Cutler rounds and DMSA when I felt that DMPS infusions were "overkill", and lower but more long-term doses helped more.
By the way, the first time I got ALA was in an (extra) infusion, very high dosage, my doctor explained that SOME medication, like ALA, is deliberately used in much higher dosage than normal for best therapeutic effect. Even when the last drops were flowing into my blood stream I felt some kind of pressure in the bones around my nose, something I had never felt before. It started a long period of detox in that area, in those bones. How do I know it's detox - well, that area is just 1/3 inch from the area of the bones in my jaw that have been proven to be "mushy" (the injection needle went right into the bone), and lots of details that would make this too long. Anyway, that bone is almost normal again, the doctor had a harder and harder time penetrating into the bone (I got DMPS injected into the jaw, but not deliberately into the bones, it ended up inside only because the bones where mushy), and the pain I had occasionally had in there for decades is gone. So ALA at least in my case definitely gave a huge boost that started something in those bones, and (done earlier) the DMPS injections in that area also were of great value (this is relevant only for people who had Amalgam fillings of course). I wanted to add this little piece of text only to make sure ALA gets a share of the success story (the doctor gave me ALA only after 1.5 years of DMPS, should not be used too soon).- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,114,025When I referred to DMPS it was oral DMPS--Cutler protocol ( low doses every 6 or 8 hrs for a long weekend with plenty of antioxidants, and other supporting supplements). I certainly was not encouraging anyone to use IV chelation for a mercury problem! cf dmpsbackfire.com.
Most people in the large Cutler groups do okay with just a few months of DMSA or DMPS before they introduce low, frequent dose ALA. There certainly are exceptions; however, I hate to see the parents of young autistic kids wait many months before introducing ALA. The young kids often get nice early gains unlike middle aged folks. It takes older folks longer to get impressive gains. This little study using a variation of Cutler's protocol is an example of that.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm#results
I hope your recovery continues to go well.
Joe
PS. My apologies for the tangent in the discussion.
- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... CuteLion
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(Added this first paragraph after reviewing the message) First, sorry I'm upset, but oh well I am. Just a little. I f.cking hate that stupid dmpsbackfire sh|t like crazy. I'm probably being unreasonable. My apologies.
F*ck dmpsbackfire. It didn't just work for me - here in Germany pulse dosing DMPS is the norm (if used). Alarmist BS. My doctor (university clinic) has been using DMPS for a very long time regularly. Of course a very few bunch of random people on some website know more... My doc (specialist for "internal medicine" and "environmental medicine" with a few decades of experience, >10 years with DMPS, and VERY careful with any statements) also told me he's seen several patients with SEVERE side effects after getting homeopathic drugs (i.e. nothing at all really!). So REALLY looking at side-effects and where they come from scientifically and not based on who can tell the loudest latest horror story is a little harder than what they do on dmpsbackfire. The Science after 50 years of DMPS(!!) is that it is a very well-researched and safe drug (as far as drugs go).
I read the "operating instructions" for DMPS in Germany ("Dimaval"), 350 page document which lists all relevant information available for the drug. Normally that doc is for doctors only, don't think it's "secret" just not easily available for the public. It (of course!) also lists all critical aspects of DMPS use. There was indeed a reported kidney failure after DMPS - a woman wanted to commit suicide and had injected herself with mercury. When they gave DMPS the kidneys failed.
You too seem to be very active (read 2 of your posts) talking against DMPS. You always say "i.v.", but that's done for the DMPS test only and for acute poisoning. s.c. (under the skin), i.m. (into a muscle) and infusions are more normal uses of DMPS in ampules, and you STILL get the benefit of getting 100% of an ampule into the body and not just the 10-15% absorbed from capsules.
I don't claim to know what's good for whom, but I **do** know neither do you, so please stop your pseudo-advice, to me, having just seen two of your comments, it seems completely one-sided, and in addition coming form someone who hasn't even tried it (injections, you said you tried low-does capsules). There are plenty of people (just look at the archived postings in symptome.ch Amalgam Forum s) who did VERY well with DMPS ampules.
Well I think we hijacked this thread, but since the original poster has not shown up again in her own topic that's probably okay.- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,115,752For those who have yet to make up their mind...
IV or other injections are MUCH more lucrative for the doctor. Do you think your doctor is immune to being somewhat blinded by the potential financial gain? Remember medical professionals put mercury in teeth because it is easier to place and less expensive. They inject babies with mercury-containing preservatives in vaccines because it is less expensive than using single-vial doses.
Does it make sense to blast the body with high dose IV for a short period of time and then let the non excreted HMs have a chance to settle in a more vulnerable part of the body?
Does that sound safer than keeping the body levels of chelator rather stable for a long weekend or more with low levels of chelator. This increases the odds that chelator in the next dose will mop up the non excreted HMs from the previous dose. The last dose of chelator will be small and therefore a small amount of non excreted HMs will have a chance to settle in a more vulnerable part of the body. Obviously the use of antioxidants is important.
Actually the document on DMPS from Dimival is posted in the files here at Curezone. It has a paragraph on the Cutler protocol although they did a poor job explaining it.
Much of the DMPS is made in Eastern Europe so you'd expect it to be popular there.
I'm confident that many people who get DMPS IV for the preventative purpose of mopping up Hg after Amalgam removal do just fine. They are not sick with Hg poisoning. They probably have decent detox genes. They've been getting rid of most of it over the years.
It seems insane to me to inject large amounts of DMPS into a person with poor detox ability. Where do they expect it to go?
Yes, thankfully I've not tried IV! When I was new to the subject and looking for information, someone in my extended circle of friends warned me. He regretted the high dose of chelator that he took from his doctor. He got worse from it--nearly bed ridden with neurological, psychiatric, and other symptoms. He reported that he was back to work at his white collar job after roughly 5 yrs of Cutler protocol chelation. While he looked and sounded healthy to me, he said he still had some remaining issues. I suppose that is not uncommon for people in their 50's.
Think about what makes sense for *your* health versus what works best for the doctor--typically a for-profit service provider.
Some people who are not too sick and who don't have a nasty candida problem do fine on DMSA. I was one. A close friend is not too vulnerable to a candida problem and so she uses DMSA + ALA once per month or so. On the other weekends she uses DMPS + AlA.
I realize these discussions are important for those who are new to the subject! Do your homework! Are you one of the 10 or 15% of people who are very sensitive to kicking up heavy metals during the detox process? Will the high dose provoked urine test overwhelm your system like it apparently has for some people? There are some very unpleasant reports about those tests in the heavy metal groups.
Good luck in your search for good information on the subject.
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This is a reply to # 2,115,778> IV or other injections are MUCH more lucrative for the doctor.
I stopped reading right there. That is NOT an argument. My doctor, for example, while having made clear right from the start what hourly rate he expects has been extremely bad at sending me bills, and about a year ago he stopped completely and wouldn't send any any more even though I reminded him several times. He has been using DMPS infusions for much more than a decade, as I already said.
What the f.ck are you asshead talking about Eastern Europe? Is E.Europe, you idiot? I explicitly talked about the German made "Dimaval" and the 350 page scientific study summary coming with it (aimed at doctors, such a document must be made by the manufacturer). No use talking to someone who deliberately, or because he's a total idiot, ignores what's being said.
And of COURSE you also ignore that only a tiny fraction of a chelator even gets into your body from the digestive system when you take the chemical as a capsule (10-15% typically). So 100mg DMSA means you get 10-15mg into the blood only. Talk about wasting money - DMSA is quite expensive, go and shit 90% of it out with no gain, sure.
You are full of sh|t. Stop talking about things you are not qualified at all to talk about, or at least don't try to make your stupid opinion seem as if they are "facts".
Now shut up and go away, idiot. I am so sick and tired of this anti-DMPS nonsense COMING FROM COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE who've "heard something". Let the professionals speak and not your personal anecdotal "evidence". As bad as doctors are at knowing effects of long term low-level chemicals exposure (it goes way beyond mercury), at least they've been trained how to treat anecdotal evidence, while in forum such as these everyone gives advice to the entire public based on a handful of anecdotes, each of which can easily be countered by another one that says the exact opposite (which, of course, people like you don't bother to research because you only look at the examples that support YOUR point).
And by the way, I'm quite intentionally being an a..hole, mostly for other readers and not even so much becuase of the guy I reply to - this weeds out the kind of people I dislike even more, those who seem to think the "truthiness" of a message depends on how "nice" the person who says it is. All of those who reject my thoughts on this topic just because I'm not nice: go f.ck yourself. I WANT you to not use medicine that works, I WANT you to be selected against by nature. Go and do what the "nice" people say, for you I recommend "natural" treatments, and oh please be soooo careful with those horrible dangerous chelators, don't use them, PLEASE!
By the way, as an example for counter examples: It is generally known that chelators should not be used, ever, when kidney function is impaired. Of course, there is a counter example for everything in real medicine. I know the story of one guy (in Germany) who was close to kidney failure, had had lots of Amalgam fillings removed and LOTS of issues. Of course doctors told him he could not use chelators. However, as stupid as patients often are, he was so desperate, he told himself that his kidneys were about to fail anyway (nephrologist had told him so), so what did he have to lose? He used DMPS, injections, several times (don't remember, I think he may even have done it himself at home). His kidneys IMPROVED. He got other problems over time, an allergy against DMPS. He still used it occasionally, but with lots of injections of anti-allergy drugs, and he suffers quite a lot for 3 days until the allergic symptoms subside. He does it because without DMPS his kidney's condition deteriorated again.Advertisement
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- Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... joegrane
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CuteLion: "What the f.ck are you asshead talking about Eastern Europe? Is E.Europe, you idiot? I explicitly talked about the German made "Dimaval" ...
== Yes, I am familiar with it. If you go back to the origins of DMPS, I think you'll see that it is in one of the former Soviet bloc countries, probably the former Eastern Germany. Before you speak so strongly, maybe you should do your homework.
CuteLion: "...and the 350 page scientific study summary coming with it (aimed at doctors, such a document must be made by the manufacturer). No use talking to someone who deliberately, or because he's a total idiot, ignores what's being said.."
== As I wrote earlier in this discussion or another discussion in Curezone, the Dimival paper is actually posted here in Curezone! I read it a year or more ago. It has a paragraph on using DMPS orally with Cutler's protocol although it was not very well explained.
CuteLion: "And of COURSE you also ignore that only a tiny fraction of a chelator even gets into your body from the digestive system when you take the chemical as a capsule (10-15% typically). So 100mg DMSA means you get 10-15mg into the blood only. Talk about wasting money - DMSA is quite expensive, go and shit 90% of it out with no gain, sure."
== Actually I'm not ignoring that fact at all! Many heavy metal toxic people have very messed up digestive systems. I like the idea of having extra chelator in the digestive tract to help the HMs move out of the body. However in the case of DMSA in a person with a candida problem, the extra chelator might contribute to the candida problem. I suspect this is part of the reason that people with candida problems and who are using Cutler's protocol tend to use DMPS or DMPS + ALA in the first year of detox.
== In the US DMSA it typically less expensive than oral DMPS. However, I think the current cost of DMPS is worthwhile for some people, especially in the early months of chelation.
CuteLion: "Now shut up and go away, idiot. I am so sick and tired of this anti-DMPS nonsense..."
== I chelated for roughly 1.5 yrs with DMSA + ALA (Cutler protocol) with good results. A very dear female friend was so impressed with my gains that she wanted to chelate too; however, she is quite emotionally sensitive, had a history of sleep problems and occasional candida problems. Even though I had plenty of DMSA on hand to give her, I instead took her to a doctor who I know uses oral DMPS , paid the doctor bill, and paid for her first bottle of low dose DMPS! After she responded so well to Amalgam removal plus a few months of DMPS (Cutler protocol) she gladly has since purchased the DMPS herself.
== Re Kidney issues. This is more complex than I want to address here but I will say that kidney problems are not very commonly reported in the yahoo chelation groups. Cutler says kidney problems are more commonly associated with acute high dose exposures to heavy metals, not the low dose chronic exposures from amalgams, vaccines, etc.
== I actually am one who had a history of low eGFR test results before I started to detox! I also had cadmium in the red on a hair test, symptoms of it and a reasonable source of work-related exposure for decades. Cutler writes that cadmium is dangerous to the kidneys. This is another example of kidney problems from cadmium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itai-itai_disease
== After 1.5 yrs of chelation I had my first normal eGFR in years! It was still low norm but I am hopeful that the problem is slowly being resolved.
== Re CuteLion's "Mood". I used to be on a low dose of the psych medication Trileptal for my formerly "difficult", critical and competitive mood. That mood plus my ADD drove my dear female friend nuts. She said that I either had to go to a psych doctor or the relationship was finished. Fortunately I loved her too much.
== After a Spect brain scan (Amenclinics.com) reported some abnormalities consistent with my symptoms, I agreed to take both the Trileptal and some ADD medication. Surprisingly they worked as advertised; although it made my personality a bit more "flat" than I preferred. Things that previously had made me angry did not bother me nearly as much. When I was annoyed, the ADD medication seemed to give me more self control--I zipped my mouth : ) The extra fish oil and phospholipids that the doctor recommended seemed to gradually help my mood and memory. I did not seem to need quite as much of the Trileptal.
== lithium was the lowest essential element on my prechelation hair test, --#354 in this large library of hair tests used by detox groups.
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest3/
==Some in the Cutler groups like the "chilled out" effect of a little dose of the Li supplements. It kicked in nicely for me. Around the same time I started to use a little pregnenolone for adrenal (stress response) support. The combo was quite nice! After 1.75 yrs of chelation my doctor suggested that I probably no longer needed the last of the psych medications.
== Cutelion, I hope you continue to improve : ) It might just be that you've not been chelating for as long as me and have not had as much time to find the optimal combo of supporting supplements for your situation. I wish you all the best as you continue to restore your health : )
== Regards,
== Joe, 3 yrs Cutler Protocol with nice gains
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453I'm so sorry for your health issues. I have been through some similar issues. I do Hair Mineral Analysis so message me if you would be interested in that. I can tell by your coloring you need methylfolate and methylcobalamin. One thing you could start doing is eating one clove of garlic a day or tae a garlic oil supplement to keep candida at bay if that is an issue. I can give you some tips for free if you want to message me. I'm glad you are on curezone because there are many wonderful people on here that can help you.
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453It sounds to me like it could be a thyroid disorder (hyperthyroidism) or possibly be your adrenals. Many of your symptoms seem to be shown here http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperthyroidism/DS00344/DSECTION=symptoms.
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453For what is worth I think you are pretty, given the circumstances. When you heal you will be a beautiful woman.
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453Candidiasis, dysbiosis.
A pathogenic gut flora, and allergy to it.Go to the Candida Forum . THe list of symptoms is ;yours, every single one.
If you are in America, you will have great problems convincing doctors that you have this.In Australia, you can get faecal transfer, in many parts of the world, you can buy Nystatin over the counter. I study Candida as a side effect of studying Dyshidrosis. If you can't get Nystatin, contact Doug Kaufmann - Re: 22 years old. Very Ill. Extreme ... leespot
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This is a reply to # 2,109,453I had a lot of the symptoms you have had so I totally empathize with you! Anxiety, insomnia, social problems, compulsion, pain due to anxiety, sleep paralysis, muscle pain, depression, mood swings. I am now fully cured. I've suffered all my life and it took 40 years to stumble onto this incredible solution. Don't listen to those stupid doctors that try to make you take all these crazy meds that just make things worse by having you addicted with a bunch of side effects. I am blood type A and I realized that my digestive system wasn't absorbing the vitamins and minerals essential for a healthy emotional state and for restful sleep. The article on bbc # 25946116 changed my life. I can't paste the link because this website doesn't allow pasting of outside links for new members.
Try this for sleep. Magnesium/Calcium/D3/Zinc combo before sleep and another one when you wake up about 4-5 hours in the middle of the night. These vitamins only last about 5 hours. Also take 1000 mcg B12 sublingual every 5 hours under the tongue including when you wake up in the middle of the night. B12 is water soluble and any excess won't hurt you since the body just pees it out. It only lasts about 5 hours in the body.
Then take 1/2 a pill of iron plus 1/2 a pill of folic acid in the morning and then another in the afternoon. Also take a pill of copper in the morning when you wake up and ferritin in the afternoon.
I would even send you a check for the cost of all of these vitamins and minerals so that it doesn't cost you anything. I would truly love to help you out. Just message me your address and I would send you a check.
I'm telling you my life is so much better. I'm sharper, able to focus, very even keel, sleep better, and don't have crazy anxiety issues. No more compulsive behavior. My relationships are soo much better including my marriage.
Let me know.
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