Kundalini(from wiki-)

R: I did not realize Rainy had posted these videos before.

M:  Hello dear Refreshed, this seems to have been posted during your Leave of absence : ).

R: How do you find the balance in all of this, dear one?

M:  For me it is a matter of discerning each situation individually and not attempting to paint whole movements or churches or manifestations with a broad brush.  As mentioned in the other post, i particularly object to "toke the ghost" and some forms of "drunken glory".  I don't like the irreverent language of it, nor the manifestations i have seen associated with it which sometimes includes seeing someone who looks like they are on a heroine high.  What i don't know is whether these manifestations are of flesh, the soulish nature or of the demonic, but i strongly believe that they are not holy.  I do believe that at least in some people it is demonic.  

I believe there is some true holy laughter as well as the counterfeit and i believe i have seen both up close and personal.  Most of the time when i have seen shaking/trembling, i believe it was of God and of His power on a person.  People i know who experience or have experienced this love Jesus immensely and the fruit in their lives is of His beauty.   One of the most on fire for Jesus guys i know sometimes has involuntary movements in his body when praising, honoring and worshiping the Lord, stemming from a re-baptism (in HS) experience a couple of years back which transformed his life and brought him into a vastly deepened love for and intimacy with the Father and His precious Son, the Lord Jesus.   When i first encountered this in him, i wondered if it might be something of the enemy, but i continued to observe and in seeing him and fellowshiping with him time after time and experiencing his consistently holy fruit, i believe this was not of the enemy, but of God.  i believe these manifestations in him are the result of God's holy presence coming upon him time after time when he worships.  Would his manifestations seem like an oddity within most mainstream churches?  Yes!  But does this prove that his manifestations are not of God?  I believe he could hold back the manifestations only by quenching the Spirit, which i see as an important and unfortunate theme within mainstream christianity and an accurate picture of what most people are doing within that system.  

By contrast, this friend worships in freedom and fullness and does not hold anything back.  He is a true worshiper, truly excited and enthusiastic about Jesus and he worships in Spirit and in Truth.

"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24

I believe this freedom and fullness (and Spirit and truth)  in worshiping the Lord is a distinction that separates churches like Bethel (Redding) from most mainstream churches as well and is why they so readily experience God supernaturally in every meeting whereas watered down, carnal (non-Spirit) mainstream religion has no experience with this.  At bethel and places like it which often have been influenced by Bethel, there is a genuine excitement about Jesus in every meeting and people who are not excited about Jesus will most likely not be back the following week.  It is quite a worshipful atmosphere that has been cultivated there and i believe strongly in my Spirit that God is deeply pleased.   

R: These reactions from people...are they demons manifesting...yet not being released?

M: As far as the temporary shaking and from the examples i have seen including some i saw at the bethel conference, i believe it is sometimes holy fire burning flesh and/or other unholiness away (fire baptism or multiple instances of them being one example), the holy  presence of God pouring out His glory and sometimes demons being cast out, sometimes resisting or manifesting along the way.    It's important to look not only at the manifestations as they are happening, but the fruit in the believers life once the manifestations have passed.  When somebody is shaking or crying or laughing for 20 minutes and then i get to hear their extremely positive testimony afterwards, it helps me to see that what happened with them was of God.  Often we find that people have been delivered from one thing or another and often people have been transformed towards the likeness of Christ with greatly increased fruits of the Spirit characterizing their lives.

R: All I have is my own personal experience and that was God speaking to me, and telling me to read my bible and having the wonderful, intense feeling of love all around me. I became a new person at that moment. I never jerked, fell, or sounded like an animal.

E: I love your testimony and i believe it to be true even though i have never heard another person state that this happened to them when they were visited by God, but if we are to look only to the bible and reject anything that the bible does not specifically include as manifestations of God, things He would say to us... or do, then we would need to reject your experience since God never came upon anybody in the bible and said, "read your bible".  I do believe He said this to you, so i state this only to show how limiting of God it is when we hold Him to such a narrow range of possible actions as if the infinite God is limited by a finite book, an extraordinarily incomplete expression of all He has done in the lives of all believers throughout all history.   As just one bible verse that i hope will remind people of how finite and limited the examples in the bible are of what God has done and what He will continue to do, I call upon this verse frequently hoping that it might eventually begin to bless people with more freedom:

John 21:25 (NASV)   And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written. 

If this is true of Jesus, then it is also true of the Father and of the Holy Spirit.  Myself i am hungry for ALL of God and ALL that He has for us, not just what is limited in the new testament to a quarter inch of material.  He is the creator of all life and of one hundred billion times one hundred billion stars, but are we to believe that He is to be fully understood in all of His mysterious magnificence within a mere finite book no thicker than an inch?... and are we to believe that everything this God might possibly do in the hearts and lives of His beloved children who ask, seek and knock is contained within this tiny amount of material?  

I do love reading the scriptures, most especially the gospels and yes we get a great idea of the character of the Lord Jesus, and in some situations this in itself will strengthen our ability to know holy from unholy, but reading the bible can never give us the "discerning of spirits" gift, which helps us to discern for example whether an example of shaking or tingling or heat or cold or crying or laughter is holy or unholy...  As we all know, the actual gift of discernment of spirits is a gift of the Spirit and not something we get by reading the bible.  It is the Spirit speaking to us instance by instance about infinite possible manifestations of the Spirit that the bible comes nowhere near addressing in fullness, but instead only in very limited detail.  Aside from this, there are examples of people falling in God's presence and if He can make us fall, then i propose he can make us tremble, jerk or shake, He can make us feel heat or coolness, or wind, tingling or electricity or other forms of His power.   I encourage everybody to keep the following scripture in mind as well.

Matthew 7: 7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he? 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

I believe this scripture encourages all of us to come to God asking Him to bless us and to be confident that He will do just that... i also believe this scripture encourages us not to do the opposite which is to recoil in fear believing that we might ask Him for a fish and He will give us a snake.   Nevertheless and to be extra safe, whenever i receive prayer in almost every situation, i ask the Lord to let everything that is holy and of Him to penetrate into my Spirit and for anything that is not of Him to fall harmlessly to the ground.  I seek a lot of blessings (as well as praying them for others) and i do believe that God delights in using the prayers of His children to impart blessings to His other children... baptisms in the Holy Spirit not withstanding, though this and all other holy blessings can and do  sometimes come when one is praying alone as well.  I do believe the easiest and surest way to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit is to have  someone who has already received it lay hands on us asking Jesus for this baptism as is the way i received it and the way several people have received it through my prayers.  As such, i strongly believe that to be so cautious as to not allow others to lay hands or otherwise pray for us is a huge and damaging mistake, crippling the body of Christ which desperately needs far more baptisms in the Holy Spirit and fire.

In Matthew 3:11 John the baptist said, “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

We mustn't let the sensationalist nature of these "kundalini warning" videos and the eerie music in the background cause us to fear the supernatural so much that we throw out the good with the bad... because this is supposed to be a Spirit walk which in itself is supernatural... and when we seek God for supernatural holy blessings, we should be assured that He as a good Father will give us the good.  With a few exceptions (especially in the areas of toking the ghost and drunken glory),  i believe most of these people in these videos were experiencing God the infinite creator, His precious Son the Lord Jesus and His Holy Spirit. 

R: Plus I have the examples that I have read in the bible of what demon possessed people acted like and what the true believers acted like once the Holy Spirit came upon them.

M: helpful examples to be sure, but also extremely limited in scope and variety as compared to everything we encounter in the real world.  John 21:25 comes strongly into play here as well.  I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't mention  spirits of depression, suicide, murder, anger, hopelessness, addiction and scores of others, but in my spirit i am deeply convinced, including through personal experiences with many people,  that they all exist and that they leave when told to leave in Jesus name, as evidenced often by instantaneous holy transformations in peoples lives.  In the same way, all possible manifestations of the Holy Spirit are simply not thoroughly accounted for in the canonized scriptures, nor would i expect in everything ever written on the subject throughout all of history, though this certainly begins to get us a lot closer.   Our infinite God touches us in limitlessly wondrous ways and i for one choose to be open to everything He has for us.

Many blessings to you Refreshed and to all : ).

Some baptism in the Holy Spirit stories.  I didn't watch all of them yet,  but i perceive some very true and convincing tongue stories here, much like that of dear Rainy.   When there is an uncontrolable compulsion from the belly to speak out, this gets my attention (as opposed to being coached to do it without this compulsion).  

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8850F2B095F69976      

Every one of the 120 in the upper room has a story to tell which i would love to hear in heaven, each unique, and each beautiful.  Also, there will be a lot of common denominators among many or all, including many who spoke in tongues, many who experienced God's love as never before and many who experienced one type of physical manifestation or another.  Nothing has changed since then in this way.   True seekers of God continue to be baptized in the Holy Spirit today if only they open their hearts to this.