Seeing stones 
cappy84
12 y
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i've been doing Liver Flushes before with Epsom Salt and seen parasites before but this is the first time i've seen stones. they are small grey hard stones. what i did is take milk thistle the previous week before i started the Epsom Salts a couple days. i also have been making tea from fresh ginger root, lemon in hot water, and extra virgin olive oil/pumpkin seed oil straight up.
should i continue with this longer? my biggest concern is that i've been losing weight (40 lbs) from my already skinny frame from the parasites (liver flukes) and these flushes might be making it worse but are the only thing i have actually expelled worms from. my foot has also swollen up.
does anyone have advice on doing castor oil packs?
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,952,860Definitely take chanca piedra to break up the stones and malic acid to soften them
- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,953,358i have looked into chanca piedra. they have it at vitacost but i've been waiting for a groupon deal like last time to save money. i cant afford this stuff so i need all the help i can get.
i cant take this anymore. i can barely walk at the moment, my hip bones are completely messed up now to where its hard to function. soon i may be bed ridden......simple things like going to the store are becoming difficult tasks. cant walk well, bend down. the Epsom Salt flushes may have screwed me up .......
i need help desperately
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,953,672Do you have silver fillings? Look into heavy metal chelation.
Also- begin a practice of energy work including simple grounding techniques. Research the "horse stance" and tai chi, and do them. This will get chi flowing down your legs and restore synovial fluid to your joints.
If you can't afford the chanca piedra, use lots of raw garlic (organic.)- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,953,749no i dont have any silver fillings (or fillings period). should i still chelate? i figure with everything in our environment now i probably have heavy metal toxicity anyways. there is a product im looking at that is cilantro metal detox with chlorella.
i cant afford any of this but at this stage it doesnt matter. i can barely walk at the moment as i have zero muscle mass/fat and no bone structure in my legs and lower body. my hip bones completely stick out and there is zero there which is why i cant walk. i think taking the Epsom Salt this last time screwed me up although ive done it before and never had any serious effect like this. its hard for me to put clothes on.
does the garlic have to be organic? i have a bunch and use it sometimes but the organic is a lot more expensive and garlic is expensive anyways. i've tried taking a lot but can only down about a half a bulb before i cant do anymore.- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,113Yes the garlic should be organic. Non organic garlic is weak and does nothing compared to good organic garlic. The more it burns, the better it is.
Please take this as constructive criticism- but you really have to work on reprogramming the way you see yourself and the way you think. First off- eat more food. Wholesome, organic food. You should not be skin and bones no matter how sick you may be. Secondly- exercise. You MUST exercise even if it is just swimming or walking. If you cannot walk because of your hips, then stand up and practice the horse stance which will build muscle and get energy flowing down your legs.
You SHOULD NOT be fasting and doing Liver Flushes if you weigh 65 pounds. EAT!!!!!!
Regarding the money- I have spoken to many many poor people in my life and not a single one of them would say they are too poor to buy a $15 bottle of herbs. It seems like you have identified very strongly with an impoverished identity and this WILL NOT make you healthier ever. Find a way to make money like your life depended on it BECAUSE IT DOES!!!
Focus on the BASICS!! Eat wholesome natural food- chew well- exercise everyday- stop watching television and get out in nature- be present in your body with your emotions- FEEL- meditate- reprogram your thinking. Don't spend all day sitting or laying down. Get off all unnatural substances like drugs or liquor.
Hope you get well
- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,122i eat a lot.....thats not the reason i have lost the weight. its parasites in my body. i eat mostly organic but sometimes i cant eat everything organic. i eat whole organic foods. lots of veggies, never eat junk, processed, hydrogenated oils etc. i dont even go out to eat much cuz i dont trust the ingredients.
trust me, im not your normal zombie who watches tv (i dont watch it at all) and know the truth about things. i have been dealing with this for years literally and have tried every natural approach but am still not well. i dont have a way to make money, im unemployed right now and could not hold a job with my current health status. it is not my choice to be stick and bones, and if you think i can exercise at my current state (barely being able to walk) then i dont know what to tell you. this is parasites that have done this to my body.- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,127Sorry I'm not buying it. Once again- please don't think any of this is personal criticism- I am just seeing right through what you are telling me.
You have said that you tried "literally tried every natural approach". I don't' buy it- because if you HAD then you would be healed. This is what you wrote 13 months ago about garlic:
"im trying the raw garlic method but how can you stand eating it in large doses? do you crush it and put it in something? i have 2 organic cloves of garlic and the past couple days ive eaten less than half a clove.
if anyone has taken raw garlic successfully id like you to weigh in and let me know your method"
Less than half a clove will not cut it. Try eating 20 cloves a day and see what you pass in your stool. Here is a tasty way to eat it: buy a garlic crusher and mix it with imported butter. Then spread it on some organic bread. Yummy. I eat it just cause it is so delicious. Alternately- eat it with pasta. Or make some pesto and load it up with garlic. You get the point- just eat a lot of raw garlic.
You say that you eat "a lot" but how do you know how many calories a day you are actually getting? If you have ever calorie counted you will be SURPRISED to find that you are eating a lot less than the daily recommend amount. You are probably eating less than 1200 calories a day. Once again- even if you have parasites, you should not be skin and bones. If you have been doing low carb candida dieting for these past few years, read my previous posts about the ideal way to cycle through these in combination with liver flushing. Because if you are NOT getting out fungal colonies from the carb cutting- you are wasting your time and weakening your body while strengthening the candida's resistance.
- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,127"i dont have a way to make money, im unemployed right now and could not hold a job with my current health status. it is not my choice to be stick and bones, and if you think i can exercise at my current state (barely being able to walk) then i dont know what to tell you. this is parasites that have done this to my body."
Do you see what you are doing? You are defending your illness and making excuses instead of taking action. This WILL NOT get you healed EVER!
I have seen crippled, mildly retarded people holding decent jobs and making a living. You have to create your own pathway to wholeness- no one else can help you. And you need to strengthen your WILL POWER to do this.
Here is what you are telling me: you bought two cloves of raw garlic and could only manage to eat half a clove in a day. This is not an issue with parasites- it is an issue with your WILL.
You can't say "it is not your choice to be stick and bones" because it is your choice and you are making it everyday by eating a 300 calorie salad and refusing to exercise. If you truly believe that you absolutely cannot get a job then I don't know what to tell you. Try applying for unemployment insurance.
Best wishes.- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,137stop making assumptions
i didnt buy 2 cloves of garlic and ate half. i have a bunch of garlic but no i havent been able to down large amounts because i couldnt tolerate it. me not downing 20 cloves of garlic a day isnt the diference between being completely healthy.
there are plenty of ways you can lose a ton of weight being sick and it has nothing to do with not eating anything. one of them is THYROID PROBLEMS. this is a direct offshoot of parasites.....developing hypothyroidism, celiac, autoimmune. parasites leach all the food and nutrients from you, they feed off everything you eat so you arent absorbing and nutrients or fats. im not eating a 300 calorie salad. do you want a daily log of every single meal i eat everyday? do you sit with me and know exactly what i eat? today ive eaten a pear, large piece of baked fish with broccoli and peas, sweet potatoe, bok choy, celery, and will be eating more things later on ....probably some greens and finishing leftover quinoa. you are the exact same as these f***ing idiot doctors who think just because someone is skinny/losing weight due to being ill that they just arent eating enough or have an eating disorder. im eating the same amount, probably more, than i have all my years without seeing dramatic weight loss that i have in the last few months.
you know i was with you since you point out some of the quacks but now i see you're like everyone else on this site and in this world who doesnt care. same as the doctors ive seen and same as my family. do me a favor and dont chastise someone who you dont know and have never walked a day in the life of, i get enough of that as it is.- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,154Please stop being a victim and defending your sickness- I do not appreciate being compared to your idiot doctors.
It's not assumptions it's psychic intuition and I have hit the nail on the head. SOMEBODY has to tell you the truth and it might as well be me. I certainly am not comparable to the "f*cking idiotic doctors" you have seen. I have cured myself through WILLPOWER and intelligent action -and you stand to learn something by listening to what i have to tell you. Do you think money and jobs magically come my way? Give me a break!
What exactly do i have to tell you? YOU ARE NOT EATING ENOUGH!!!!
"do you want a daily log of every single meal i eat everyday? do you sit with me and know exactly what i eat? today ive eaten a pear, large piece of baked fish with broccoli and peas, sweet potatoe, bok choy, celery, and will be eating more things later on ....probably some greens and finishing leftover quinoa."
THIS IS ONLY 600-700 CALORIES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
You have to STOP making excuses and START taking responsibility for your thoughts and actions if you want to get better. Whether or not I agree with you- reality will remain the same until YOU decide to change it.
What else do I have to tell you?
EXCERCISE AND STOP BEING A VICTIM!!! You have LOST THE ABILITY TO WALK and an alarm bell should be going off!!!! Use your legs and eat more and you can get a job.- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,159do you have any clue about parasites and how they function? apparently not if you cant grasp the concept of them feeding off the food you eat so you cant get any nutrients. that means, it does not matter whether i eat 5000 or 500 calories.
i eat plenty. thats not all of what i will eat today and i eat constantly, a lot of times i overeat with huge meals. you also dont even know the portion sizes i had of all the food i've eaten so far today, so how can you accurately count the calories?
i will compare you to idiot doctors because thats exactly how you present yourself.- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,162Look- i am speaking to you from an entirely different place than these doctors you are comparing me to. I have recovered from severe systemic candidiasis and used to be chronically underweight eating over 4000 calories a day. Still- I am telling you matter of factly that even with an overwhelming parasite infection, you should not be 'skin and bones" and lose your ability to walk. You will be skinny but NOT skeletal. You are skeletal because your diet is not providing you with enough calories!
You obviously adopted a low-carb diet in an effort to eliminate candida. This diet is not providing you with enough calories. You can eat broccoli and bok choi all day long and not gain an ounce of weight. You can eat a huge bowl of quinoa and only get a few hundred calories. Healthy, obviously- but not enough calories.
I believe you when you say you are eating "a lot" but your foods are simply not calorie dense. Protein and fiber make you feel more full. You claim you have 'parasites' but you need to find out WHAT parasites you have, exactly, and do a protocol specifically targeted at that parasite.
Have you tried a CoQ10 megadose for ascaris? (of course since you've tried everything)
Have you tried 20 cloves of raw garlic for parasites and candida? (of course since you've tried everything)
Have you tried eating ONLY GREENS and cutting out ALL carbs for candida? Sounds like you haven't. You have been on a "candida diet" that has only starved you and made the candida stronger. If you want to kill candida you HAVE to eliminate the fungal colonies. To do this you need a PROTOCOL and you need to understand WHY you are doing what you are doing. Yea you will lose weight but then you GAIN IT BACK on a recovery diet with lots of healthy carbs in it.
I guess you won't be on any good terms with me or my ideas anymore since you obviously feel insulted by my passionate lecturing. Whatever. That is fine. I am sad I have lost one of the few people that agree with me (Lol) but it is fine. It doesn't mean I am without compassion and don't care. I have just embodied a high degree of ruthlessness and whenever I hear "i can't afford that" or "i have tried everything" I know the only thing that is going to help such a person is the truth- no matter how ruthless it may be.
If you have a systemic candida infection you need ALL the ruthlessness you can get. This battle is between YOU, CANDIDA (the devil), and GOD... and no one else can help you. It is just the way it is. There is no one else in this battle.- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,167you also fail to realize ive only been up a few hours today, less than 6 currently. no i do not completely eliminate protein and carbs.
i honestly suspect this last Epsom Salt flush this time may have screwed me up. i was not this deathly skinny before, this is a very recent thing that has happened over the past few weeks when i've been flushing.
i tried eating just leafy greens but i just felt horrible and couldnt do it. people in the Candida Forum told me to completely eliminate grains and fruit (sugar), i ended up getting into an argument with them because i thought it was stupid. i have tried the candida diet before but dont think its something that people should do and its not going to help me with parasites.
i am very weary of most supplements, not necessarily because i dont think they themselves can work but the added ingredients and effectiveness. its hard to find a GOOD supplement and in my experience supplements have done nothing for me. i would rather supplement through diet by eating foods rich in these things.
i have liver flukes which has led to my liver being severely compromised. its not recommended for people with liver disease to eat high amounts of protein, fat, carbs. see this is the problem.....when you have all these multiple things wrong and there are so many contradicting things about whether you should eat this or eat that it makes it hard to determine whether you are doing something that could potentially be screwing your body up even more.
i am going to try to get my vitamin C levels up
i definitely have food allergies / food intolerances too and leaky gut.
- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
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- Don't give up wplush
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,162Hi Cappy and Michael B,
I'm sorry to invade this thread but as I'm sort of new to all this natural healing stuff. Cappy, although I'm not in the same boat as you, you can follow my posts and know that I myself is in search for health. Many times I felt like giving up, like why me? Why did I get sick when everyone else can do whatever they want, eat whatever they want, drink, party, etc. and not even get affected. But you know what....I didn't give up. I'm on Curezone asking for advice and taking advise from these people as I honestly trust them more than my doctors. I believe a majority of the people on this site who was suffering from an illness came here because traditional western medicine didn't help.
My symptoms are a burning sensation in my stomach, throat, and mouth and eczema. I basically went from 110% health to 20% or less to me.
I did a juice fast for 9 days but didn't get much results.
I've been taking apple cider vinegar and it has been helping my skin.
Everyone has been encouraging me to do a Liver Flush so that's what I plan to do this weekend.
Did you try a parasite cleanse or a bowel cleanse? I've been doing it this week in preparation for the liver cleanse.
I can see how all these remedies can add up in cost. But you know what, if somehow they work, it's priceless. You can regain your health and start working again.
About 6 months ago, I wasn't working....I was basically on sick leave cause it was that bad. Finally, I said screw this I gotta get back to work and get on with my life. That's what I did. I'm not 100% by far, but there's still things I didn't try yet.
I'm going to consistently do Liver Flushes every 2 weeks until I get no stones hopefully.
How much weight have you been losing from your flushes? I can see how not eating for 1 day from the flush and basically flushing your whole system out can make you lose several pounds.
I'm probably not as light as you but I myself how no weight to really lose.
You have to be a fighter. Go through your daily day doing whatever you have to do. Enjoy some time outside, then come back to curezone to ask some of the experts any questions you have.
Good luck I hope you feel better.
Max- Re: Don't give up cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,168thank you wflush. i try to remain strong and am not going to give. im a very strong person but i have definitely been through hell with this, i broke down crying a couple weeks ago. i hear you about the people around us not dealing with this and think "why?" too. it doesnt make sense to go out and see people eating junk food and being obese yet functioning in everyday life. when im out i get looks and comments about how "that guy looks weird" or "damn hes skinny as hell".
i have been parasite cleansing for quite some time and took milk thistle to help my liver up until i did my last liver cleanse a few days ago.
i have severe eczema too
if im to believe scales i have lost 40 lbs and didnt have any weight to lose to begin with. its hard to do much of anything right now, i dont think i have the energy to even walk to the store a couple blocks away.- Re: Don't give up wplush
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,201Have u seen a naturopath?
I didn't but I would honestly for their expert advice.
I gave up on medical doctors a long time ago. They are basically guessing what's wrong with you and only can do a trial an error with medicine. This is what MD stands for.
I'm not bad mouthing them but this is what they know. I wish they had knowledge of naturalpath as well.
We probably would all be healed.
So the Liver Flushes didn't help you at all?
How much weight were you losing on each flush?- Re: Don't give up cappy84
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,954,241nah, unfortunately doctors in this country are for the most part horrible and like you said i gave up on them a while ago. since i was on an individual HMO plan i had to have my general doctor refer me to another specialist. i tried getting referred to a naturopath and endocrinologist a long time ago but my (multiple) attempts were unsuccessful. she never gave me a referral but was quick to want me on antidepressants and gladly sent me to a dermatologist LOL
yea you are right. they certainly couldnt find out what was wrong after years of going back and forth spending hundreds of dollars for blood tests that did absolutely nothing. western doctors just look at symptoms and prescribe a drug for them. they dont actually look into the root problem of what could be causing it.
i dont know about how much i lost on each flush but its only been now where i've become so bad i can barely walk. i stopped with the Epsom Salts a few days ago.
- Re: Don't give up cappy84
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- Re: Don't give up wplush
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- Re: Don't give up cappy84
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
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- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
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- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
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- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
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- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
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- Re: Seeing stones wplush
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This is a reply to # 1,953,358Michael,
How does Chanca Piedra differ from malic acid or Gold Coin Grass?
Thanks.
- Re: Seeing stones cappy84
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- Re: Seeing stones Michael B
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