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Nitinol - The Mystery Metal from 197... 
elan164
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Re: Nitinol - The Mystery Metal from... Mike1953
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I can't figure out what missing when I see this as amazing yet I never heard of it before today.
This was all over the science magazines back in the 70s including plans for Nitinol motors, eyeglass frames that I saw on the market a while back, etc. So the information has not been hidden, just passed by and forgotten like so much other research like friction space heaters, electrostatic cooling, etc.
Rex Research had a bunch of information compiled on it as well.
Please go back to your own forum.
I get a sick feeling whenever you show up.
If you have nothing valuable to add to the discussions then you should go back to your room to play with your toys while the grown ups talk.
For those interested there are a number of products on the market that can be purchased to test the principles of memory wire/metal such as:
http://www.imagesco.com/catalog/nitinol/index.html
I forgot that they have been using memory metal in medicine for a while now such as Nitinol stents:
http://www.nitinol.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2003_Stoeckel_Self_Expandin...
And guide wires:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10149107
"Liver flushing" Hveragerthi
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Hi Hav! Welcome to Trapper's forum. Nice to see you here. Just wanted to mention that the way you showed up at my You Tube account and challenged me for advocating liver flushes, I am inclined to be filled with a little dread whenever you show up too!
Nothing to worry about. We should all have the right to present our opinions and evidence and let people choose for themselves based on the evidence what is real and what is not.
But hey, I'm willing to give you a second chance...
Thanks.
If indeed, the liver flush is bogus, as you claim, can you tell me why I got big hard round chunks out, some more than an inch in diameter, the first time I did one,
That actually proves that they were not a gallstone right there. The ducts cannot expand that far no matter how much magnesium you take to relax them.
but only sludge the next five times? Wonder why the longer I went between flushes, the bigger the sludge particles got?
Actually I believe I addressed this on my Myth of Liver Flushing series:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1679049#i
In short though it takes more than just the oil to form the soap stones and sterol-cholesterol complexes. It takes multiple ingredients, including some produced by the body such as stagnant bile. A deficiency in any ingredient decreases the formation of these so-called "stones" in the intestines. And multiple "flushes" decrease these ingredients.
Here is a simple analogy. If I want to create sodium chloride I can mix sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) with hydrochloric acid (HCl). As long as I have plenty of both ingredients I can keep making sodium chloride. But let's say that I react all the baking soda with HCl and still have HCl left over. Can I still make more sodium chloride without more baking soda? No. But given a little time I can go to the store and get more baking soda to continue making sodium chloride.
Consuming the oil stimulates the release of bile reducing its saturation. Thus you get smaller "stones" forming in the intestines. Given time the bile can build back up and saturate again.
Can you tell me why, If it was just big chunks of olive oil coming out of me the first time I did it, why don't big chunks of olive oil come out of me every time I flush?
Just explained it. You are not going to have the same level of all the ingredients each time. Therefore, you are not always going to get the same results.
On the other had as I pointed out in the videos it takes a very long time for real gallstones to form. So my turn for questions. How come people keep passing large "stones" with such frequent "flushing" when the gallbladder is not that large, real stones that size cannot pass through the ducts and they don't even have time to grow real stones to that size between "flushes"?
The liver flush is not a pleasant procedure. I did it to relieve the pain in my side and indigestion. Both went away after I did it. Why would that happen if it is a bogus procedure?
Stagnant bile can lead to sludge that can irritate the bladder would be one simple explanation. And ingestion of such large amounts of oil can help reduce sludge. I have always stated that. What I disagree with are the passing quarter to baseball size "stones" or amounts of stones that would occupy the entire chest and abdominal cavity claims. These are impossible. I also don't like the fact that the "liver flush" supporters refuse to accept or warn others of the dangers such as lodging a real gallstone in the ducts if actually present from the strong gallbladder contractions caused by ingestion such as large amount of oil.
I hate doing it, so I only do it again if the pain returns, and the pain always goes away. Sort of miraculous for a bogus procedure, wouldn't you say?
Not really. Again, this can be easily explained. This still does not mean large gallstones are being passed,
Also, when I got those big hunks out, I cut one of them in half with a knife, and it was obvious that it had formed over time because it had rings like a tree. How did the olive oil coagulate into rubber balls with rings like a tree in a matter of hours?
Can you tell me huh? Can you tell me huh? Huh?
You don't think this can happen with layered coagulation?
OK, my turn again. How do you explain the fact that they were rubbery balls? Real gallstones that large are not only calcified making them very hard, they are faceted from grinding on other gallstones.
Re: "Liver flushing" glaxony
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two words - natural childbirth.
People don't give birth to gallstones. And I have always considered this argument of the birth canal being able to dilate proves the bile ducts can also over dilate as totally ridiculous. As I pointed out in my last post the arteries, which also happen to be smooth muscle, can also dilate. As with any smooth muscle though they can only go so far before they rupture. People have claimed to have passes baseball sized "stones" with these so-called "flushes". A baseball is over 10 times the maximum diameter the ducts can dilate. So using your same train of thought what happens if we dilate an artery over 10 times its maximum dilation size? Yes, rupture and likely death. Not all smooth muscle is designed the same. The smooth muscle of the female reproductive system has more strength and elasticity for the purpose of birthing. There are also a hormone called relaxin that allows the public bones to loosen for the birth. Are the bile ducts also influenced by relaxin and the pubic bones? If the "liver flush" supporters want to attempt to prove something in their debates they need to start comparing apples to apples, not apples to a rotary dial phone!
Do you realize how old someone has to be before they stones get hard and solidify into soft balls?
First of all the stones do not harden in to "soft balls". That whole statement is a contradiction.
Secondly, the physical age of the person has nothing to do with it. Real gallstones get larger and harden with time, not get bigger and soft and squishy. Real calcified stones can happen in younger people as well. Again they just take several years to grow to any appreciable size, which is why it is impossible for those large globs people are passing every few days or weekly to be real gallstones.
To show you what I mean about a person's physical age having nothing to do with it I am posting some case studies for you. Note this first case is in a 20 year old women who has been dealing with real gallstones for 2 years. As we can see gallstones are not strictly an elderly issue:
http://bestpractice.bmj.com/best-practice/monograph/78/diagnosis/case-history...
Also note that in this case the stone had lodged in the bile duct. This occurs with larger, hard gallstones. Not with sludge or tiny, squishy gravel.
Another case in a 39 year old male:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3527908?uid=3739824&uid=2129&ui...
In a 7 1/2 year old child:
http://www.jpgmonline.com/article.asp?issn=0022-3859;year=1987;volume=33;issu...
And this does not make them extremely common either. Real gallstones are somewhat common, but larger stones the size of a quarter or larger are really not that common. Yet these people passing what they think are gallstones are passing these blobs sometimes every few days. As both of us agree though real gallstones CANNOT grow this fast, which is even more solid proof that the blobs are saponified olive oil, not real gallstones. This is what I cannot understand. Your own claims are proof that what people are passing are not real gallstones, yet you keep insisting that they are. For example, once again as real gallstones slowly grow they calcify making them hard. So real gallstones of any significant size will be hard as a rock, not soft and rubbery.
Granted gallstones are less likely in children, still they can occur in people from young to old. So they do not take many decades to grow as you are claiming.
YOU SAY-
Yet these people passing what they think are gallstones are passing these blobs sometimes every few days. THAT IS RIDICULOUS THEY ARE PROBABLY TAKING TOO MUCH PSYLLIUM
What psyllium? Nobody said anything about psyllium.
KEY WORDS- "THEY THINK"
A LOT OF PEOPLE MISTAKE ORANGE JUICE PULP FOR PARASITES
DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE PARASITES
Exactly. They think they have gallstones, but that does not mean they have gallstones. Thus the point I was making. Thanks for backing it up. What people are mistaking for real gallstones are blobs of congealed oil, which is why they look or feel nothing like real gallstones. Real gallstones are not "rubbery balls".
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