I appreciate your detailed explanation.
Thanks.
It seems like a lot of work for you to go through for ingrates.
In a way it is. But I look at it in the way that there are many other people out there who do appreciate the information and some people will be saved from potential emergency surgery if they really do have gallstones.
I've never posted on your forum but I have read your explanations on it there and made the personal choice to never attempt such a thing. I wouldn't ridicule someone else that swears by it because apparently it works for them, maybe in ways nobody understands.
I have addressed this in the past as well. People are confusing feeling better with actually being cured. These are not always synonymous. Morphine can make a person with stage 4 cancer feel better, but this does not their cancer is gone. Doing the "flushes" can do things that may make someone feel better by for example stimulating the bowels. This does not mean they have cleared any real stones from their gallbladder. And there is still the risk that if any real gallstones are present that they can end up it in the hospital with pancreatitis. People need to be aware of these facts so they can make an educated choice rather than going on blind faith.
It's not really worthy of debate, each his own.
Here I would have to disagree on the same grounds as stated in my previous sentence.
I think what he means is that your explanations are not always logical
Actually they are very logical. Definitely more than the claims of passing stones larger than can be possibly passed, or in amounts significantly larger than the gallbladder can possibly hold......
and you have yet to respond to the question- "Why did my friend who is a doctor ask me where I got the gall stones when I showed them to him?"
And once again, yes I did respond 9 months ago. Maybe the reason you could not find the response was because I was not on your YouTube channel as you claimed. You were posting the comment on my YouTube channel. Here it is once again:
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uNqWHZj4fMo
Now go down to 9 months ago where we had a discussion on this topic and that exact comment.
Nor have you complied with my request for photo copies of the assay in which olive oil was dyed to prove they were not really pre-calicified gallstones.
LOL!!! You just posted the request a few hours ago and was not even online. I was enjoying the evening with my family for Mother's Day. So you expect me to drop everything I am doing at your whim to supply you right then and there with evidence you request? Especially when you have yet to supply any real evidence to back any of your claims yet? Sorry, but you are not that special. And as I posted in my last post evidence goes both ways. So where is your lab report that those are real gallstones you passed and where is your evidence that the dye enters the gallbladder? Even if you could prove the later this still would not show they are gallstones as I pointed out in my last post. I presented solid proof, based on your claims, that even if the dye did make it to the gallbladder that it would not show up in the stone in a few hours. The only way for it to be inside the stone would be if the dye was there throughout the development, which according to your own claims would take decades. So you are just handing me the proof hand over fist that "liver flushing" is quackery!
(It it really possible to do that, and if so, isn't it extremely dangerous for the person consuming the olive oil?
Consuming a large amount of oil can be dangerous regardless of the dye. The food dye is not that big of an issue as far as safety goes unless the person is allergic to the dye.
Have your ever clicked on the cleanse button above and taken a look at the Cure Zone cleansing protocol?
I have looked through quite a bit of Curezone, but don't recall if I ever saw that part. If I did I clearly was not impressed.
One of the things recommended is liver flushing. Would you join the Baptist church and try to get them to stop baptizing people?
Baptizing people is not dangerous. Ingesting large amounts of oil to produce soap stones can be very dangerous if real gallstones are present in the gallbladder. I think people should be aware of this fact so they can make an informed choice.
Instead of trying to reform Cure Zone
I am not trying to reform Curezone. I am simply trying to make sure people are aware of the facts so that people can make informed choices.
So why is it that the "liver flush" supporters are so terrified of the facts? Why are they so scared that I may actually warn people of a potential danger? Don't they care about people's health and safety? Do they get some type of weird high by convincing unsuspecting people that some scam is a real health protocol that can pass imaginary gallstones larger than can possible be passed?
and convert the tried and true believers here, why don't you start a forum of your own and call it-
www dot let me tell you how to be afraid and stay miserable for a whole lot longer dot com?
See my last statement. Really, what is it that the "liver flush" supporters are so scared of? If someone really believes in what they are saying as I am they will support their claims with real evidence as I have. They won't make up bogus claims about not having replied to a question as you have. And they will not refuse to answer questions and try to demand evidence from the other person when they refuse to post evidence themselves as you have also done. Such tactics just scream scam!
because (at least in my mother's case it seems) the doctors aren't going to perform surgery until stones are completely calcified and about to burst the gall bladder open, and a patient's life is in danger.
I already addressed why doctors go for removal of the gallbladder in my last post. I also went over how these "flushes" can potentially lead to emergency surgery if real stones are present. Again, why are the "liver flush" supporters so scared about my exposing that well known fact? And why do they keep trying to hide that fact when hiding it puts people's health and safety at risk?
Seems like that is what you are all about, making sure people endure the pain and misery until doctors decide a person has been tortured enough and they are finally are willing to cut them open and remove the source of misery, which could have been flushed out years and years earlier if they hadn't been afraid because of the vitriol that people like you are spewing.
Hmmm...... I tell people how they can simply dissolve their gallstones and prevent their reformation. You on the other hand insist people put their health and lives at risk with a procedure that can end them up in emergency surgery to remove their gallbladder if they lodge a real stone from real stones being present. So you really want to stick with your clearly misleading last statement?
So why is it that the "liver flush" supporters are so terrified of the facts? Why are they so scared that I may actually warn people of a potential danger? Don't they care about people's health and safety? Do they get some type of weird high by convincing unsuspecting people that some scam is a real health protocol that can pass imaginary gallstones larger than can possible be passed?
I don't see any liver flush people who are shaking in their boots. You are the one who is trembling with venom. And anger is aways a mask for fear.
Thanks, you once again have proven my point. Read the various responses to my posts about "liver flushing" from "liver flush" supporters including yours. They have routinely lied about me, banned me, removed my posts, devoted entire posts to attacking me, made up names for me such as "fecal soap man", made up stupid poems about me trying to embarrass me, tried to run me off of the boards and Curezone, tried attacking me on my YouTube channel, etc. All of these just seethe with venom and anger, which according to you is the mask of fear.
Me, I just keep plugging right along exposing the lies because I am not scared at all of the "liver flush" supporters. I just look at them as little children that have a lot of learning and growing up to do so I am here to help them learn how the body and chemistry really works. Have a wonderful day.
So when are you going to tell me how to get rid of this sludge without drinking lemon juice and olive oil?
This is a great example of suppressed anger issues. The person has asked the same exact thing in numerous posts even though I already posted the answer clearly yesterday. Due to their anger issues they keep repeating the same, already answered, question in an attempt to push my buttons to bring me down to their level. Luckily their tactic is not going to work just like their tactic of trying to claim I am a surgeon or getting kickbacks failed to anger me.
The evidence I have presented has yet to be contradicted so the person tries subtle insults and other games to try and push my buttons. But again, I am here to educate so I am not going to let the childish games of "liver flush" supporters get to me. I realize that they only do this since they have no real evidence to the contrary to present.
Have a look at number 3 on this link-
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=331482
ROTFLMAO!!! That is the funniest BS I have seen in a long time. Clearly he does not have even the slightest clue of how the body really works. For example, the cholesterol does not come from the olive oil. The cholesterol is in the bile released from the ingestion of the oil!
And you wonder why so much of the advice being given on Curezone scares me! Too many people who don't have even the slightest clue of what they are talking about are trying to pretend they are experts.
By the way, the only real lab analyses I have seen of these so-called stones confirmed they were saponified olive oil. But if you believe his claims then why don't you write to him and have him provide the lab analysis he claims is nearly pure cholesterol. And why you are at it have him explain how it is that a calcified stone can present as nearly 100% cholesterol and zero to insufficient calcium to form a real gallstone. Oops, looks like someone just got busted again making up their "facts"!
By the way you may want to read this:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1568425#i
And this is not the first time he has been discredited:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1567784#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1568470#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1457157#i
And since you keep making the false claims that I am in to having people remove their gallbladders and not address real gallstones:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1642844#i
Again, you should actually find out the facts about what you are posting on before posting. Failing to do so just shows how desperate you are to discredit me but only discredits you.
And please show me evidence of the analysis report that proved the gunk was fresh dyed olive oil...
I already addressed this in my other post. Your own words proved my point. If you have any real evidence to the contrary though please post it. Again, evidence goes both ways.
First the donkey says this....
What has been left out is that nobody has said that all these pseudostones are formed from a sterol-cholesterol complex. Most of it is saponified olive oil as has been pointed out numerous times.
then the donkey says that the cholesterol from flushes comes from bile.
so all those jaundiced people who did liver flushes who had no bile made stones from nothing?
donkey, make up your mind instead of mindless kicking and guffawing. or are you deliberately talking out of both sides of your snout to cover your arse as it were?
Ah, another super scared "liver flush" supporter lashing out in anger. Please don't be afraid of me, I am harmless. I am simply here to help educate you on the basics of how things work in the body. For example, you stated above:
"What has been left out is that nobody has said that all these pseudostones are formed from a sterol-cholesterol complex. Most of it is saponified olive oil as has been pointed out numerous times.
then the donkey says that the cholesterol from flushes comes from bile.
so all those jaundiced people who did liver flushes who had no bile made stones from nothing?"
Let me see if I can explain the facts to you in simple terms to avoid any more confusion.
Cholesterol is a normal part of bile. Therefore, cholesterol is always present in bile, even in a 3 year old who does not develop stones. Therefore, simply having cholesterol in the bile does not cause stones. The stones form when the bile becomes supersaturated with the cholesterol causing the excess cholesterol to precipitate out. I know these are big words for you so let me explain this in another way.
If you make a glass of saltwater and let it evaporate as the water evaporates the excess salt crystallizes out of the water because the remaining water can only dissolve so much. This is called saturation.
But let's say we want to dissolve more salt in to the water that it can normally hold, a process called supersaturation. All we would have to do is to heat the water in a sealed vessel, which allows it to dissolve more salt than it can hold at room temperature. Since the container is sealed we don't lose any water so the volume is constant. Now, if we allow that water to cool back down the cooler water can no longer hold all that extra salt and the salt precipitates out in crystals.
Cholesterol in bile is the same way. When more cholesterol enters the bile than the bile can possibly dissolve then the bile becomes supersaturated and the excess cholesterol precipitates out of solution eventually forming stones.
When bile is excreted though in to the intestines it does not leave the cholesterol behind because the cholesterol is dissolved in the bile solution. From the intestines most of the cholesterol in the bile is reabsorbed back in to the bloodstream where it could end up back in the bile.
Some foods though, such as olive oil, contain compounds known as sterols. Sterols bind the cholesterol so that it cannot be reabsorbed and instead gets eliminated in the feces. Sterols also bind to cholesterol in foods preventing their absorption.
This is the same principle used by pharmaceutical cholesterol sequesterants used to lower cholesterol levels.
See, simple basic science. Nothing to fear.
I'm surprised you aren't concerned about guilt by association if your opinion of these folks is so low. Are you volunteering for the feds in hope of getting a police job some day?
See, more venomous hate, which you say is a mask of being afraid. Somehow we need to get to the root of your being so scared so we can correct it. Being so afraid all the time and lashing out in fear really is not good for your health. Maybe that is why you don't feel good all the time and have to do the "flushes" as either a placebo effect or laxative to feel better.
By the way, no I am not interested in law enforcement. I think the whole legal system is highly corrupt.
My plans for life involve more of helping people and the environment.