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its 100% psycological problem and is curable spontaneously ,dont know exactly but cure itself in span 1year to 10 years max.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,931,898i'm a researcher in this oral pathology,we investigated 3 cases for last 15 years ,like allergy tests,gastro intestinal studies,repeated number of biopsies ,no deficiencies,no endocrine disorders .If it was a disease it would had show up some where in these tests,and supporting to our conclusion all 3 cases healed spontaneously 1 year,1year4months,9years years approximately.
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This is a reply to # 1,931,903How can you conclusively say that this is psychological just because you ran a handful of tests that came back negative? I think it's a pretty irresponsible thing to say to a group of sufferers who come here because no one else in our daily lives understands our disease. Plenty of diseases present only the symptom of disease and not any underlying cause. In fact many auto-immune diseases are like this. Is Rheumatoid Arthritis also a psychological issue? Is Psoriasis purely psychological? Is MS purely psychological? What kind of researcher would come to this conclusion just because you can't find the cause? By the way, all of the above mentioned diseases can present spontaneous remission.
Yeah, I'm saying you're full of s---.- Re: exfoliative cheilitis sargvy
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This is a reply to # 1,932,075why do you unnecessarily worry, Psoriasis and Rheumatoid Arthritis are no doubt autoimmune conditions where the body makes antibodies against its own cells and these can come into remission but not cured.But exfoliative cheilitis you don't find any antibodies attacking,its only a temporary condition which cures,I'm repeating it cures.
- Re: exfoliative cheilitis sillylips
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,932,138Yeah. They are auto-immune diseases. Just like my doctor says Exfoliative Cheilitis is!! And yes, auto-immune disease is where the body starts attacking itself (very good you got one thing right). But what anti-gens are attacking for each disease? Doctor's don't know and can't prove. These diseases are diagnosed by SYMPTOM, not by testing the blood for anti-gens. In Rheumatoid Arthritis (which I have by the way!!!) the doctors will test for RA-Factor in the blood, but just because it often correlates with severity of disease, but NOT a guarantee. Many people who have sky high RA-Factor in the blood don't have ANY Rheumatoid Arthritis . And some severe Rheumatoid Arthritis patients have perfectly normal RA-Factor.
Stop the victim blaming. Or do you want to also tell MS sufferers that it's their fault they're in a wheelchair, and if they believe they can walk, then they'll be able to walk again?- Re: exfoliative cheilitis sargvy
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This is a reply to # 1,932,235you are messing up things ,if you are getting more happiness by thinking that you cannot be healed,then atleast for gods sake please stop writing your negative thoughts clearly shows up your feeling of helplessness ,anxiety.Atleast see others people getting healed and then you heal on self evidence based confidence.
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This is a reply to # 1,932,075I agree to you it is not caused by psycological distubances,cause may be repeated touching of saliva ,which contains digestive enzymes.But the ongoing condition after wards which is delaying healing is purely psychological.
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This is a reply to # 1,931,898think you are cured and you'll be cured any time ,and don't forget to reply me on that day.- Re: exfoliative cheilitis #145365
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This is a reply to # 1,931,907Fair enough. However, I too am a researcher - albeit not in the healthcare field. I am surprised that you are confident enough to make a 100% definitive statement based on a very limited sample of 3. I do think psychological stress contributes to the condition due to the effects of stress on the immune system - it's well known that stress can make you sick. If EC is entirely psychological how would you explain cases like mine where the application of topicals cause swelling, pain, and inflammation? I am not wishing to argue with you or question your methods, I just want to better understand. Thanks!
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This is a reply to # 1,931,920i agree we cannot come to conclusion by studying only 3 people,but there are only very few cases in this world comparative to any other condition,if there are few people then we need to come to conclusion based on few experiences.it again shows in your thinking that you stick to negative side ,be confident and tell to your self that you are curing.and coming to swelling inflamation ,its due to some allergy to things which you are applying,and not due to exfoliative cheilitis.use lip balms free from fragrances.and i also kindly request not to visit or google about this condition ,because its constantly reminding youself that you are not fine,which again delays you from becoming normal.
- Re: exfoliative cheilitis Vunk
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This is a reply to # 1,931,927This reminds me dermatologists who were totally impotent facing this lips problem with theirs totally useless creams so told us that it was in your mind and 'Goodbye! Next patient!'.
What really punched me were not things I had found out on internet but the repeated consultations with these dermatologists which led to nothing and were making my condition worse because of all theirs shits of chemicals.- Re: exfoliative cheilitis sargvy
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This is a reply to # 1,931,930If a patient has diagnosed with some thing ,doctors will say sorry you have so and so,and treat.If you are healthy and go to doctors ,then obviously its all in your head.Coming to peeling lips its not a disease its a wrong decision taken by your cells to peel at a fast rate under incomplete impulses from brain ,which is again linked to negative thinking .so positive thinking(positive thinking means just think you are healthy,and its true also that every one in this forum are healthy) makes your brain to send potent impulses and condition reverses.
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This is a reply to # 1,932,020The chemicals from the blistex i was using, The many times i liked & picked my lips a day, & the destructive way i scrubbed by lips when it first began to peel were all factors that lead the top layer of my lip to disappear. Sorry but i refuse to say its my negative thoughts that make my lips look like is been cut in half revealing raw skin! Its not a disease, but its not all psychological. The lips has been traumatized for quit a while & needs time to regenerate & thinking negative may slow that down, & positive thinking is always good, but dont tell us we'll be healed overnight if we think we're healed. But thanks for giving us hope, its always needed.
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This is a reply to # 1,932,033Don't use medicated blistex ,unless you have sore bleeding.I can recommend you like Bariederm,any balm of petrolatum free from fragrance,or you can use 100%lanolin.
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This is a reply to # 1,932,020Hi Sargvy, i understand your point of view, so chronic manipulation of the lips keep this condition active, right?
i have also read that a patient was "cured" with anti-depressants.
could you explain better the association between negative thoughts and impulses from brain?
are you talking about the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis?
However not all cases are due to factitious cheilitis. some people began with Acne treatment, oral candidiasis or simply dry lips which were constantly picked on.
My question is: how did the subjects of your study managed their condition?
did they never toutched in their lips? were they in "socially accepted" condition to speak to other people during their daily life?
Best regards!
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This is a reply to # 1,931,927Thanks! Was your study published? I would be interested in reading it. - Re: exfoliative cheilitis Healer96
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This is a reply to # 1,931,927Hmmm this might be interesting recently I was on a vaction to Spain with my friends and had a blast...my lips felt so much better and I wasn't looking at my lips constantly like i did when i was home and surprisingly they felt so much better maybe because of the sun? i don't know but spain with my friends was an awesome trip
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This is a reply to # 1,931,907Very interesting
So your saying if i thought i was healed, my lips will automatically stop peeling.
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This is a reply to # 1,931,896I can confirm the spontaneous healing. I got EC when I was about 10 (I am sure through constantly licking my lips). It stopped suddendly when I was about 18 (I felt very happy back then) then started again at ~20, lasting until now (I am 25).
It drives me nuts. I always try to remember how my lips healed back when I was 18 and the things that come to my mind are those:
01) Applying a cream called Biomaris skin cream three times a day very thinly.
02) Eating bread instead of cornflakes in the morning.
03) I got contact lenses back then.
04) Stopped looking into the mirror constanly.
You may want to read my thread here:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1918982#i
I also think its very much a psychological issue. But that doesn't make it easier...quite the contrary: "Don't think about ELEPHANTS...what are you currently thinking about?" Got the problem?- Re: exfoliative cheilitis #150754
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This is a reply to # 1,932,215To be honest I think this affects such a spectrum of different people you cannot generalise like this. I got EC after a course of accutane. That is not psycological.
Also I am perfectly normal, have good friends, excellent family, excellent job and a great future. Psycologically I am perfectly fine and I have seen this clearly healing by leaving the lips to heal with time. I have seen layer after layer of skin slowly rebuild itself. This is not psycological it is simply the natural healing process of the body, like a scab on the knee when you fall over.
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This is a reply to # 1,931,896I pretty much agree with this...from what I have noticed with my experience with this problem, mindset and diet have a lot to do with it. Focus on your tongue and facial muscle movements as this will teach you the positions that these muscles are natuarally supposted to belong. Take the tip of your toungue and bend it down behind the lower front teeth. Now focus on what the back of your tongue is doing...THIS IS IMPORTANT...When you SPEAK you want to focus on keeping that back part of your toungue in the same shape and position. This will seem uncomfortable and difficult. Try to also notice how your lips shape and move differently in relation to the tongue and cheek muscles...and also how the saliva flows and reacts...it might take a while to master these movements again....and im not sure what makes us forget these unconscious based muscle placments....I have only just gained these conclusions based on self-observations through psychedelic drugs , the two I have been mainly using are peyote and psilocybin...hope this helps you all!
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