Hi Chiron,
what do I make of this mystery? Well it does seem to be perplexing to say the least, and the actual cause I am not sure of, except to say that water does hold onto the skin and is absorbed by it to a minor degree, so this would most likely account for the difference in weight.

Chrisb1.

Thinker,
I have looked at Golthings post from the thread you supplied and which in essence was a reply to your own tirade about meat eaters and meat-eating. This was only a response to your own views on meat earlier in that same thread.

Let me make this clear: this is not a forum for discussing the rights or wrongs of diet, except in how to break a fast and with what, and as long as the post-fast diet is wholesome, unadulterated, and unprocessed. If members decide to be frugivores, omnivores, vegetarians, vegans or whatever, that is their choice, and hopefully an informed choice.

So both you and golthing or anyone else, need to cease personal attacks on this or any other relevant theme. Moderators have been lenient so far, but when push comes to shove, any posts of this nature will be moderated and could ultimately lead to a potential ban from the forum if persisted in.

Let's keep this on an even amicable keel, and have mutual respect for our different points of view.

Chrisb1.

Ah yes, I found myself in the middle of a sort of confusion. with the air of a debate.

I mistakenly thought you were posting to me. But I too often post for more than one set of eyes.

"The detox issues obese and heavy meat eaters go through is not something I deal with."

Nor I. But I am aware that people who eat meat (I do not) might find a long, colourful description of the crud that meat becomes, quite a lot to handle.



"Many would thrive on fruitrian diet, raw diet, vegan diet etc and benefit from prana lifestyle info, fasting info, light diet info, etc if they had knowledge of it."

I completely agree!

:-)


Chiron

"The detox issues obese and heavy meat eaters go through is not something I deal with. Excess meat can clog every node in the lymph and take years to detox, most huge cancer tumors autopsied are comprised of animal protien turned rubbery grizzel and excised look like 10 pounds and more of hard rubbbery congealed animal meat grizzel."

Wow, this would be a great time to qualify your wild and reckless statements! Or is anecdote sufficient?

Are you a scientist? Have you done any scientific experiments on the above? Please publish.

I will agree, somewhat, that certain non-discriminating meat eaters are a complete health disaster, but these are those who are regular fast food eaters who avoid fruits and vegetables at all cost. If you would like to continue your fallacious arguments and lump us all into one group, then you prove that your callsign is merely irony.

I also find it ironic that you end your post with "God bless".

By condemning meat, you are saying that God is stupid and you know more than Him. As I have posted earlier, God commands his followers to eat meat. Those who don't are weak in the faith.

God himself was manifest in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, God's son. Jesus ate 33 passover meals, he ate fish, and he ate at many people's homes where undoubtedly he partook in eating meat. Was Jesus a fat, greasy slob?

I don't know if you believe in God or were just being facetious, but if you do believe in the God of the Bible, you might want to humbly reconsider your attack on that which God calls good.

I'll add this tidbit that I hope most of you can agree with: For those of you who think that a vegetarian diet provides superior health, I believe that the primary benefits result from the simple fact that vegetarians are typically concerned with their health and what they eat. They carefully select their food, which is wise. Yet they are comparing themselves to a population of people who are the opposite; most don't care and eat whatever they want. Most don't exercise either and probably take an array of prescription meds.

DUH!!!

If you vegetarians/frutarians/or whatever were to compare yourself only to meat eaters who are as cautious as yourselves, I believe that your positive results would dwindle into the unrecognizable zone.

It's basically not a fair fight. You've stacked the cards in your favor. And to top it off, you may be denying yourself some exquisite pleasure unnecessarily. AHHH, sushi, mmmmm good.


1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


Hbr 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hbr 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.