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Hi everyone,
I was wondering if this happens to anyone.c
First supplements that I start like Licorice Root, Iodine, and even Selenium all seemed to help for a couple days. Better energy, less brain fog then after 3-4 days, nothing.
Same with Betaine HCL, better digestion and I didn't feel tired after eating for a few days, then back to TIRED after eating anything (I eat NO Diary, NO Gluten, NO Sugar.)
The same with the Adrenal Glandular (which I only took a few days and then stopped since it didn't seem to do much after and I read it wasn't good to take).
The amounts are:
Licorice Root - 450mg x 7-9pills
Iodine - 250mcg x8 = 2mg
Selenium - 200-400mcg/Day
Betaine HCL 500mg x2 BEFORE Each Meal.
Finally, I've taken Vitamin C (2-3000mg/day) and Pantethine (300-600mg/day) but neither have done much for energy, I just get sleepy after them.
I usually feel kinda refreshed after sleeping or napping 30min in the afternoon. Occasionally I still feel kinda tired.
Does anyone have any idea what this is all about? I could really use a hand...
James
Incase it helps...
My Symptoms:
- MENTAL fatigue and Bad Brain Fog (mostly after eating), BUT NOT much physical fatigue. (Feel like I'm sleep, yet my body could just keep going.)
- Sleep can be kinda refreshing or not very refreshing.
- Slightly anxious at times (NO Panic Attacks).
- Takes time to get to sleep, but I usually sleep 8 hours.
- Sometimes awake early.
- Naps increase a bit of energy.
- Have suddenly become more reliant on caffeine.
- Some Occasional Tingling - Less Then Before
- Tired IMMEDIATELY after eating anything.
- Salt/Sugar cravings
- Sometimes Freezing Hands
- Cold overall body temperature (Cold in warm rooms, Love Hot Showers..).
- Almost UNABLE to sweat during workouts.
- Very Low Libido
- Weightloss (though I know most of this is due to a
No Dairy/No Gluten/Almost no Sugar or grain diet I have been eating for the past 2.5 years.)
- Lower ability to fight infection/frequent infections
(In this case a head-cold with yellow phlegm, eventually went away), I feel fine right now.
- Many supplements cause tiredness (Zinc, Probiotics...)
- Poor Digestion (Recently saw that I have low levels of many 'beneficial' bacteria
- Very rarely a slight headache, but that seems to have more to do with the type of supplements I took that day.
NO Fever, No Sore Throat, NO Swollen Glands, No Muscle Pain.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,794,319I noticed the same thing in reference to some supplements work for a few days and then nothing. I am hyper adrenal and was trying some different ones than what you mentioned. Also noticed you mention slight headaches. I get those too and it's connected to various supplements. They are usually near my temple area or back a little.
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This is a reply to # 1,794,319You have some digestive issues that make absorption problematic and perhaps the gut is permeable. Omega-3s (non-rancid) help the gut heal and become less permeable, reduce inflammatory response, and many others. You more than likely need 3+ grams daily of Omega-3s. Wean up from 1 gram, watching for any reactions.
Sublingual methylcolbalmin (B12) may help as long as you allow it to stay under the tongue for 30+ minutes. It's a bypass way of absorbing the methylated B12 versus the low absorption in the gut. Usually, gut problems will impair absorption of B12, that's why I mention subligual.
Consider at least 200mg of magnesium daily in an acidified form like citrate or malate for better absorption.
Trimethyglycine (TMG) + B vitamins help me out with low energy and stressful conditions. I take a product that contains 500 mg TMG, 12.5 mg B6 (pyrodoxine hydrochloride), 400 mcg Folic Acid, 500 mcg B12, and some grapeskin extract with red wine extract (polyphenols) per pill. The TMG requires a B-complex to aid in homocysteine control, otherwise you may not receive the TMG benefits.
Have you tried Kefir for probiotics? There are brands, if you can't make it yourself, that do not use any milk or milk-products, if you're sensitive to lactose/dairy. I've seen the Lifeway brand at many stores, it tastes pretty good in my opinion. Shorthand: Cultured foods that you can tolerate.
I noticed you wrote Iodine, but have you tried SSKI (super saturated potassium iodide) in conjuction daily? For example, Iodine in the AM, then SSKI at noon?
EDIT: SSKI also means Saturation Solution of Potassium Iodide.
Gut repair is of utmost importance, I cannot reiterate that enough. Omega-3s are a start from detoxified Fish oils to balance the 3/6 ratio and control inflammation in the body. Isolate amino acids did not do anything for me in the past personally, but I did not delve too deep into them.
Sometimes, I personally take a high quality multivitamin. Some ways to tell if there are good ingredients is by looking at the "type" of vitamins/minerals the manufacturer uses. For example, methylcobalmin is superior to cyanocobalmin; thus, methylcobalmin in the list would score the multivitamin +1 points over other brands with inferior vitamins. Another example is Magnesium oxide, it's a cheap mineral added to supplements; thus, you'd want to avoid it.
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I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record around here, but lots of your symptoms sound like metals.
Do you have Amalgam fillings, or any other exposure to heavy metals?
The poor immune function, tingling, digestive issues all go together.- Re: Supplements work and then dont w... jpron
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This is a reply to # 1,794,462Hi Sadpanda, thanks for your response!
I have never had Amalgam fillings, thankfully.
I did get a hair analysis.
The only metals that I found elevated were (none above the 'normal' range except lead slightly:
BARIUM - My result 0.47ug/g - REFERENCE < 1.0ug/g
CADMIUM - My result 0.054ug/g - REFERENCE < 0.065ug/g
LEAD - My result 0.82ug/g - REFERENCE < 0.80ug/g
MERCURY - May result 0.49ug/g - REFERENCE < 0.80ug/g
And for the non-toxic
COPPER - My result 28ug/g - REFERENCE 11-30 ug/g
All appeared in that green level, though maybe someone knows more about this...
I want to get my lead down, but how??
If any of this seems odd, please let me know.
James
- Re: Supplements work and then dont w... sadpanda
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This is a reply to # 1,794,658Well, lead is a huge toxin too.
I find hair tests rather worthless because metals will only show up in your hair if your body is excreting them. Most of the sickest people are "non-excreters" and do not remove heavy metals at a normal rate.
My wife had a hair test that showed nothing while she actually had high blood mercury; her challenge test showed massive amounts of mercury as well.
Do you have any lead exposure? Lead-glazed bathtub? lead paint? Well water? etc.
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I have an idea. You report tiredness and poor digestion. it seems possible you may be low in some nutrients becasue of the poor digestion. Maybe when you take certain supplements you need, the enzymes that use them increase making you feel better but the cofactors needed are rapidly depleted.
does this make sense ?
When I went on the current diet I'm on, I was dead tired. I did an analysis on an excel spreadsheet and was shocked to find I wasnt' getting enough magneium, potassium, b vitamins etc etc. All because of hte diet. maybe this is an issue for you too- Re: Supplements work and then dont w... jpron
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This is a reply to # 1,794,466Hi misscallie,
I think that definitely has something to do with it, and it makes sense. How did you find out you were low in those vitamins/minerals?
I also think there is something to do with food intolerance there...
- Re: Supplements work and then dont w... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,794,676I used the data on the USDA website.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
My spreadsheet has teh food in teh columns and the nutrients in the rows.
It was very very revealing. I really think on these diets we all go on, we run the risk of becoming depleted in nutrients (esp B's, potassium in my case) if we are not aware of what we are missing and supplement.
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This is a reply to # 1,794,466How did you find out you were low in these vitamins and minerals? What tests did you have done? I would be interested to have these done myself.
I've heard Dr. Eck does hair anylisis.
Paulette- Re: Supplements work and then dont w... misscallie
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What I was referring to above was the fact that I was nto getting even the RDA amount of vitamins and minerals on my anticandida diet. To determine this I used the nutrition database at the USDA website. I set up an Excel spreadsheet and collectedthe vitamin/mineral information on eachfood I ate and summed it up by nutrient adn compared to the RDA.
But, as far as testing goes I do the following.
Vitamin A, D, ferritin, zinc, copper : by blood through OHIP
magnesium: saliva through intracellular diagnostics
activated B vitamins: through Biolab in the UK
I'm sure there are many others but those are the ones I know of.
I show persistent vitamin A and ferritin deficiency.
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This is a reply to # 1,794,319I thought rule #1 for recovering from AF was: stop all caffeine and other stimulants.
You can't possibly rebuild the adrenals and tire them out (use stimulants) at the same time.
CAFFEINE: SHORT TERM BOOST, LONG TERM DEGRADATION. - Re: Supplements work and then dont w... feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,794,319Your symptoms are pretty typical. I have or have had all of them....as have others.
One thing that jumped out at me is the work-outs. It's great that you have enough energy to work-out.You do not sweat because you are dehydrated. This thing is...if you are working out hard enough that you think you should be sweating.....you are working out too hard, which is hard on your adrenals.Many people don't think exercise is a source of stress....but it is. See the attached link on the work of Dr Selye. Note that he exposed the rats to excessive muscular exercise and it resulted in the same stress damage as any other source of stress.Many of us were workout nuts for years...which is one of the causes. I knew I had Adrenal Fatigue in 2004 and in 2010 I was still playing tennis and racquet ball. And I would note in my log book how it would set me back everytime. It is not easy to give this things up.I can't help you with your reaction to supplements. I've never experienced that.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,794,592I have noticed that sometimes you have to rotate foods or supplements. Sometimes something will work for 4-7 days and then not be as effective. Its like the candida adapts to it or something.
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This is a reply to # 1,794,319Dr lam says that paradoxical reactions are part of adrenal fatigue. I think you really need to slow down, heal your gut, and try to figure out if you are allergic to any other foods. Take everything out except for meats, veggies and quinoa and introduce back foods and supplements every 3-4 days no exceptions. That way you know exactly what they are doing to you. It was the only way to recovery for me. - Re: Supplements work and then dont w... Healthiest sick person ever
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This is a reply to # 1,794,319Also...my brain fog got better when I had complex carbs in the morning. I think it's easy to get hypoglycemic when you are grain free. If you don't want to do any grains at all then you can do winter squash or yams.
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This is a reply to # 1,794,319Inorganic supplements, such as vitamins and minerals, may help you overcome deficiencies. After you have overcome the deficiency, it is no longer beneficial. If you take too much, it may even make you worse.
Organic supplements, such as foods, which provide nutrition, are always beneficial.
Some herbs work by providing nutrition. These are always beneficial.
Other herbs promote or suppress the function of various parts of the body. These are normally only beneficial for a limited time.
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