a monkey wrench? 
surley
18 y
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Hi All,
I started LFs just over a year ago and have completed 18 to date,one approximately every 3-4 wks.LF has helped me greatly with my sinus probs. adult Acne and general health.What has completely confounded me however,is my cholesterol problem,my main reason for flushing.
I have the inherited type of cholesterol-what the experts call FAMILIAL HYPERCHOLESTEROLAEMIA.My Dr.had me on all kinds of chol.lowering meds for about fifteen years now.The latest was CRESTOR and I have been experiencing muscle and joint pains so I was constantly fighting with my MD to get off the meds and his comeback was that a little discomfort was nothing compared to a heart attack.
After discovering CZ I started to really worry about the side effects of these drugs.This is what my blood results looked like:
I started Liver-Flush in Nov.04 and my result in Dec.04 was:
Chol: 5.99
Trig:0.74
HDL:1.93
LDL :3.72
I was taking crestor then.I started cutting down the dosage to the point where I was only taking one a week and in Aug.05 my test read:
Chol:5.55
Trig:0.61
HDL:1.98
LDL :3.29
In Sept.05 I decided to stop the crestor altogether and started Dr Sandra Cabot's Liver Cleansing diet along with continuing the LFs.I also took the Livatone and lost 10 LBS within two months (I am not an overweight person)but I felt great on this diet and lots of energy,no more muscle and joint pains.I did another test on Dec.05 and this is what it read:
Chol: 9.08
Trig: 0.59
HDL: 2.25
LDL: 6.56
I have been dumbfounded eversince and can't comprehend this.My Dr.ordered me back on the Crestor.I started it back and within one week all the muscle and joint pains came back and so I stopped it again.He also prescribed EZETROL but when I read the possible side effects I decided not to take it.I am at a loss to explain this spike because my diet has almost no bad fats and no simple carbs.I still follow DR cabot's diet.
I started researching inherited high chol.and came across DR UFFE RAVNSKOV and his research on FAMILIAL HYPERCHOLesterolaemia.(I am awaiting a copy of his book THE CHOLESTEROL MYTHS).The gist of this is that people with inherited chol.are able to function with a higher level of chol and using meds. would throw everything out of sync.Also,if one is to cut out all fats the liver would still manufacture what it needs ...this seems to be true since I did cut out all bad fats. Anyone out there has any knowledge of this?
Sorry for the long post but I do not want to leave anything out.I am currently not taking any meds but I'm in a quandry as to what to do.I am still continuing with my LFs as they have been very benificial to me .
I would really value the opinions of the CUREZONE members ,especially Spirit,Telman, Hanna, Unyquity and anyone with any knowledge of inherited cholesterol.
Thanks for listening guys and good health to you.
Surley.
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- Re: a monkey wrench? #47594
18 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 175,532I'm sorry I can't be of much help, but I wanted to say that should you decide to take the crestor or any other statin drug, make sure you take CoQ10 with it. Statins lower the level of Q10 in the body, and could be the cause of your mucsle aches. My dad unfortunately takes statins, but the q10 really helps him. you should take 50 to 100mg daily.
Also you said you cut out bad fats, but did you replace them with good fats? Perhaps you aren't eating enough fat. - Re: a monkey wrench? telman
18 y
1,860
This is a reply to # 175,532Hello surley
This group is getting very off-topic now, however…….
You cholesterol levels are only one risk indicator to the possibility of dying from a stroke related condition. One of the better indicators is to look at how your parents life ended in relation to what they ate and what exercise they took.
You and your doctor should assess you in the same light. If you have a poor diet, smoke and/or don't exercise these can be higher risk that your cholesterol levels
FAMILIAL HYPERCHOLESTEROLAEMIA is often over diagnosed and around 40% of people with the condition live out a normal life and die of something unrelated. This would indicate that there are other factors such as diet, smoking, drinking, stress and lack of exercise that are the real causes of an early demise.
This is how doctor trap us, by the fear that we are all going to an early grave without them. Don't believe it and start to work things out for yourself. The figures quoted by blood laboratories are all based on averages but unfortunately we can't all be average. The actual figures of your blood analysis are in proportion it is just high than average and if you have flushed for a year then you know your liver is fine so you make up your mind if you want the drugs or NOT.
If you decide to go ahead and take the pills get the dose a low a possible even if you have to start cutting them into pieces yourself.
If you feel that you need to take something! Have you tried pectin as a supplement to reduce cholesterol?
You can take 15 g of pectin, into 3 portions and eat with each meal. Do this for 4 weeks and get you blood levels measured again.
The decisions are yours to make but don't keep taking a medication that is making you feel bad! That is not health care, its pill pushing.
Telman
- Re: a monkey wrench? hanna
18 y
1,863
This is a reply to # 175,535I stopped my Lipitor 15 months ago, my doctor did not even get angry. if he had I would have left.
I am sure my cholesterol might still be high, actually it was off the charts more than a year ago, because you should not have a bloodtest after flushing, what I did, it throws off all tests.
Andreas Moritz told me that when you get older it is better to have a little more cholesterol. All the info is in his book, but if you don't have it, you can read his website http://www.ener-chi.com under healthinfo and High Cholesterol.
I have heard that a lot of people stopped taken them because it effected their muscles. It is also not good for the liver. - Re: a monkey wrench? surley
18 y
1,875
This is a reply to # 175,535
Hi everyone,
Thanks for responding to my post.Telman,sorry if I'm off topic but I just wanted to analyse my situation in terms of the LFs as they did seem to be helping initially.
To answer some of the questions..NO I'm not overweight and I work out diligently 4-5 times a week for app.one hour each time.I do not smoke nor drink alcohol(but maybe I should start some wine drinking).I do include a lot of good fats in my diet eg.olive oil,avocados,flaxseeds,sunflowerseeds,nuts etc.and tons of fibers.I do not take fish and flax oil supplements though, and now I will.
Telman,I have never heard of pectin supplement to lower LDL so could you elaborate please.I am now willing to try anything except for the meds.So you see I do not think that I have any other risk factors.I have made an appointment to see a cardiologist and I will ask him to check out my C-Reactive Protein and do the Homocystine test.Thanks once again for all the helpful advice and Good health to all
Regards,
Surley- Pectin telman
18 y
2,220
This is a reply to # 175,668There was a properly conducted study carried out as far back as 1982. The study demonstrated a significant reduction in serum total cholesterol levels when
15 g Low Pentin (degree of methoxylation 37%) was eaten in addition to the habitual diets of healthy young adults. The mean reduction of cholesterol was 16% and was similar to an 18% reduction found when the same subjects added 15 g High Pectin (71 % methoxylated) to their diets. The lower cholesterol levels were apparent after 7 days consumption of either pectin. In simple words 15g of pectin supplemented to a normal diet decreases the LDL value by 16%-18% leaving HDL cholesterol levels and triglyceride levels unchanged. This is a good thing.
The results suggest that it is the gel-forming properties of the pectin which are important in the cholesterol-lowering.
If you do a Google search for cholesterol and pectin it should lead you somewhere that possibly has pectin for this purpose.
- Re: Pectin surley
18 y
1,863
This is a reply to # 175,670
Thanks for all the info and help everyone.I'm reading about the use of pectin for lowering cholesterol for the first time and I do plan to give it serious consideration.Also,Dr Mercola's suggestion for supplementing with fish/cod oil makes a lot of sense,thanks Newbe and Savagegrace.I'm learning something new everyday.You guys are indeed a fantastic group of caring people who so willingly give of your time and knowledge in our quest for better health.
Keep up the good work and God bless you all.
Surley.
- Re: Pectin surley
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- Pectin telman
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- Re: a monkey wrench? hanna
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- Re: a monkey wrench? flowerchild59
18 y
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This is a reply to # 175,532Of course, yours is a personal decision to make about your statin meds, but if I was having the muscle pains and the such, I would quit them.
I inherited my mothers death genes as I call them. Here are some links regarding my quest to lower my TG's:
//www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=174&i=144
This was what was congesting my liver:
//www.curezone.org/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/flowerchild59/d...
I recently had my labs drawn in Jan 2006 and my TG were 235 and my Cholesterol was 240. These are wonderful numbers for me and my history. I plan to continue flushing about 4 times a year with the seasonal changes.
PS, have you noticed on the ads for the statin meds it says "has not proven to reduce the incidence of heart attack or stroke". When I read those words and my liver was screaming at me, I quit them then and there.
- Re: a monkey wrench? prosperous
18 y
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This is a reply to # 175,532I also have the same kind of elevated cholesterol that I inhereted and has been high since first measured when I was 10. Last time I checked a year ago the figure was the highest ever, I think around 8.4 in European terms, around 300 in US. Never took any medication for it because I believe those are worse that high cholesterol (my aunt took Lipitor and has some permanent muscle damage afer taking it for a very short time). I am not that concerned about my cholesterol, surely it sometimes makes me uneasy when I listen to all the medical information out there, but there is many new studies indicating that it may not affect your health after all and that high cholesterol alone is not really directly linked to the cardiovascular disease, but the inflamation process caused by viruses, bacteria, bad diet etc.
I sure was hoping that Liver-Flush would lower my cholesterol as some people report. Sounds like it didn't for you, but how long after you flush did you check you levels?
Also, you should consider ozone, I hear it's great for cleaning up arteries of plaque. I am planning on including it in my routine (along with montlhy liver flushing, diet, etc). - Got Oil? Got good oil? Savagegrace
18 y
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This is a reply to # 175,532My two cents.
You were wise to stop taking the statin drugs. After muscle pain and weakness comes muscle atrophy. (yes, you should take CoQ10 to replenish what was lost by the drugs)
Reducing TC is a myth. You can have a TC of 300 and not have any heart problems.
What you need to know is, the HDL needs to be high in order to protect yourself.
In the last year two different Doctors have tried to put my wife on Statin’s due to TC of 300 and 289.
She would say, but my husband says my HDL level…
They would then look at the HDL level of 117, 118 and say “Oh, you don’t have to worry about heart problems”.
The word clueless comes to mind.
If you’re fearful about TC….
Reducing TC is as follows.
1. Lose the weight if you’re overweight.
2. Exercise (I’ve seen people lower TC by 100 points with a little exercise)
These didn’t work?
3.Liver flush.
This didn’t work?
Guess what, the body artificially raises what it needs.
What do I mean?
Lets say you did a hair test and your zinc levels were elevated.
Oh my God, you’re eating too many greens!
Well, NO!
The body artificially raises the zinc level by stealing the zinc that it needs from your bones and muscles.
Why it takes it beyond the normal limits I haven’t a clue.
So taking zinc will reduce your zinc test level…..weird.
(It’s the same way with water retention by the way)
So you have an abnormally high LDL level. Gee, why do you think that is?
Guess what? The body needs extra good oil (low fat diet..hahahaha clueless). It’s producing extra bad oil (LDL) (at a much higher level) because it needs oil to run.
Dr Mercola has hereditary low TC. He has patients that have TC’s of 500. He and they do the exactly the same thing.
4. They take extra good oil (fish or cod or flax or any of several good oils). It raises his TC and lowers theirs.
Use Extra-Virgin Olive-Oil or virgin coconut oil for cooking. Never use anything else.
Hope this helps.
Gracefully Savage
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