Underlying causes: what the heck is... 
Waverlywoods
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Hello All,
Much has been made recently of heavy metal toxicity/chelation, enough to get us all thinking hum??? powertool has parasite thread going now, another biggie in the realm of “what the heck is really wrong with me” But has anyone ever really explored low stomach acid? I have to admit that I’ve heard of it, but never really delved into it. After doing a little research I’m a little bit excited however.
What I found is that low stomach acid causes:
Incomplete digestion of proteins
Indigestion, diarrhea, or constipation
Multiple food allergies
Bacterial and fungal overgrowth
Nutrient deficiencies
Adrenal Fatigue
Chronic Fatigue
Various autoimmune diseases
After working so hard on all of my problems, it seems embarrassing if this is the solution,. Has anyone gone down this path and found that no, stomach acid wasn’t it, not really the issue. For example I worked hard on adrenal fatigue and candida and found I could manage and improve and hold a certain level, but in the end, I wasn’t cured and both AF and candida imbalance seem like symptoms rather than the problem. I don’t know, it seems like my whole natural health ideology and strategy is changing almost daily now and right now I’m leaning towards toxicity, heavy metal toxicity, and low stomach acid being the BIG 3 underlying problems.
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,747,194Yes, you have a good clue. Immune suppression caused by Heavy Metals and intolerances are important underlaying causes.
Jorge. - Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... misscallie
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,747,194I considered it and the HCL didn't help much , if at all. I then had the heidelberg test and my acid was a bit high.
But definitely worth pursuing for sure. You could be low.
I also did the SIBO test for both methane and hydrogen and was negative for that.
Yet I have allthe symptoms of an upper GI problem. - Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Bgone
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This is a reply to # 1,747,194Could be low stomach acid leaving food behind for the candida, but how do you know candida is causing your symptoms? Could be thyroid/adrenals, parasites, bad digestion, etc.
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
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This is a reply to # 1,747,316Well, for 3 years now I have always responded well to the candida diet, (however will small/moderate amounts of protein). I have consistently had a good response from undecylinic acid also. Toenail fungus, coated tongue (which I've learned may not be thrush).
I have been treated for parasites and got some degree of improvement beyond my normal plataue I think.
I have read and listened to hours of teachings regarding thyroid and adrenals. And did all the recommended things for each to no avail. I did a saliva test for cortisol and until I saw the graph that showed cortisol levels normal at 4 different times during the day, NO ONE could have convinced me that I did not have adrenal fatigue my symptoms were so classic.
If what I have read lately regarding stomach acid is true, then I can see how a person who is ill, losing weight, weak, sick and tired as many of us are. It is very likely that we are in the 40 to 50 % that do not produce enough HCL. HCL is the body's first line of defense against parasites, bacteria, virus, yeast. If it becomes low while our bodies begin to fail, I can see how this situation alone might lock in digestive problems for good.
http://www.bodyecology.com/07/09/20/low_stomach_acid_symptoms.php
http://www.puristat.com/coloncleansing/lowstomachacid.aspx
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... misscallie
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,747,362I felt the exact same way as you waverlywoods about the adrenals - I thought for sure i had a problem and hte 1st test was normal with oneof the measurements actually high. I felt the same about the stomach acid but heidelberg showed that ok too. So, for me, I think it is malabsorption due to overgrowth (but not SIBO b/c that was negative too!). What a conumdrum.
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
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This is a reply to # 1,747,369I know isn't it a frustrating confusing labyrinth of ideas and avenues!! Sometimes, you just don't know what to believe.
I have been fortunate to have made progress in the last 2 months or so. I'm a 5'10" male. I was at 135 now up to 145-147 could go higher if I pigged out. Sleep problems gone for quite some time. I wish I had a better record of everything I've done/eaten. I've been logging everything and being quite vigalent for a couple months now though.
This HCL thing may be nothing?? But I can't afford any lab tests or non-insurance covered medical services these days. I'm on my own for now!
What type of overgrowth do you speak of?
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- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,747,397Oh, an overgrowth of candida or giardia or some sort of protozoa. I did test +ve for giardia in a rectal swab but I've read it's in a lot of our water sources so it may just be giardia passing through.
The HCL may be the key for you, it's definitely worth looking into. I suppose if you take it for a while and you don'tfeel better it is not an issue for you.
I went back and looked at a few of your posts and at one point you were eating meat/veg and then you switched to mostly raw. Is that right ? Do you still exclude the sugars and starches including fruit ?- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
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This is a reply to # 1,747,418Yes I eat a high raw diet no fruit no Sugar no starch (idealy) positively no gluten. I have never been vegan but I have consistently suggested that other peope cut back on the meat intake at least temporarily because doing so helped me quite a bit. Could have been just an HCL issue for me at that point. I started taking small amt of HCL today so wil know soon. Did not get any burning sensation so far.
I plan on using HCL & plant enzymes when I do have large meals with animal protein and cooked veges primarily.
what are the classic upper GI symptoms you are having?- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,747,473I'm very high protein now as I need the calories w/o the starches. I found it very interesting and hopeful that you gained weight w/o the sugars and starches.
My upper GI symptosm are spaciness and burping.- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,747,484To be honest, I must say that the weight gain, though I can't afford to prove it with the machine they hooked me up to last time, is likely from an increase in lean body mass due to some degree of improved digestion/absorption, major lifestyle changes in last 6 mo. such as new low-stress career, better home life ect.. Also the diet I mention is my ideal and I do some amt. of cheating so some of that weight gain is likely due to starch content I've allowed to creep in at times.
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
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- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,747,473I think the HCL burning sensation is a myth. I have taken until 5 capsules with a meal without to feel anything. I have read from others doing the same. Anyway, HCL is really important to keep the small bowel sterile. Without HCL, bacterias, fungus, and parasites can colonize the small bowel. There is an strong link between H. Pylori, Atrophic Gastritis, and perietal cell defunction. As well, there is a link between Celiac and lack of HCL. Immune suppression also cause parietal cell defunction. ( HIV ) There is also evidence that suppression of the suppressor cells caused by a fungal overgrowth can cause an auto-immune attack against the parietal cells.
Jorge.
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- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... aijian
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This is a reply to # 1,747,488Jorge,
I felt the burning when I took 7 tablets a meal (3 meals a day) after almost 2 months. I don't know why but I stopped HCL.- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
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This is a reply to # 1,747,54921 pills per day for nearly 2 months is a pretty good trial. Did you feel any benefit from this?
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... aijian
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This is a reply to # 1,747,707Heavy candida die-off (lethargy, body aches, no energy, bloating) for the first 10 days then nothing.
- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... kakiebaby
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This is a reply to # 1,747,717
I did the hcl, bitters, vinegar, enzymes for 3 months.....I was straight coughing up acid it didnt help at all and burned sooo much , and I put so much faith in that one.... sucks. im on nexium now and can eat sooo much better, I didnt want to do that but I was unable to eat anymore. my situation is a bit different though.
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- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... Waverlywoods
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- You're getting closer JWangSDC
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,747,194You're getting closer to seeing the bigger picture, but the problem is just overall toxicity which also causes....low stomach acid.
I'm going to start being more and more active on here as I get better and better. Ive been raw vegan for almost 100 days and I've been juice feast/fasting for about 50 days now. I expect in another 60 days I'm going to be completely healthy. I'm going to start posting videos explaining my situation and answering questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DTUq04-Gh4
Here's my post where I summed up the most information
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1715036
- Re: You're getting closer alb36
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This is a reply to # 1,747,545And how do you think you're going to live your life after you'll become so healthy? Is it fun being on raw foods? Being like no one around you? Is it fun constantly fasting, deworming, de...whatever?
- Re: You're getting closer JWangSDC
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,747,803haha I'll have plenty of people around me. I already go out to dinner all the time and enjoy other people's company, I'll either eat nothing or we go to a place that has organic juices for me. So when I'm able to eat salads, how much free-er will that be.
You are thinking from a sick state of mind. Once you're healthy, none of that is an issue. You don't have to stuff yourself with hamburgers to spend time with people you love and you can even spend time with them while they are eating pizza and hamburgers and fully enjoy yourself without doing the same.- [Message Subject Hidden by a Forum Moderator] alb36
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- Re: You're getting closer soxfan23
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This is a reply to # 1,747,920It could be a combination of things but I believe one of the most overlooked causes is having a shortage of good gut bacteria. A healthy human has more bacteria (3-5 lbs) than cells and this bacteria serves every function of the human body. This deprivation of flora is often passed on from mother to child and you could have lived with it your entire life until bad digestion, excess shit food, anti-biotics, or a lowered immune function exposed your shortage of gut flora and allowed bad pathogens to proliferate.
It is absolutely necessary to start eating healthy as well as culturing your own kefir grains. Also buy a strong probiotic such as Custom probiotics which contain over 50 billion of acidophilus and bifidus per capsule.
Do that and you will get better.
Good bacteria are the anti-fungals you should be using and a healthy Diet should replace your anti-candida diet.
- Re: You're getting closer JWangSDC
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,747,920I don't know why you even responded to my message. I did not say I was living a normal life, I only have to do this for half a year. I am getting closer to living a healthy life. Only 4 months ago I had much worse eczema, tinitus, severe yeast issues, hypoglycemia, bloating, fatigue, etc. In only 50 days of juicing these symptoms are over half gone. What I am doing is the most EXTREME and quick way to cure my problems. You only have to do it until the problems are gone. I never said it was fun, it is extremely difficult but I do it so the rest of my life WILL be fun.
You are so bitter and angry you had to come and yell at me when you clearly didnt' even read my orignal message. You just turned it into something it wasn't so you could write a hateful response.
How healthy can you really be if you're coming on just give a response like that? My candida was REALLY REALLY bad when I was in a place even half that hateful.- Re: You're getting closer alb36
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,748,655Kid,
I am not bitter or angry, I am just trying to warn you, you're destroying your intestinal flora and there will be no healthy life after what you do now. Your Candida is just sleeping now. Once you start eating, you will realize that you cannot digest anything and you get gassy and everything else. When that happens, please go visit the Weston price foundation website and the one of gapsdiet.
I wish I could tell you that it will be easy, but there is no easy fix for anything. You will have to cook and culture on your own and it will be a very long journey till you learn what health means. You went for the easy way, or what you thought it was easy, but this is nothing comparing with what's waiting for you at the end of this fasting.
Best of luck!
- Re: You're getting closer alb36
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- Re: You're getting closer JWangSDC
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- Re: You're getting closer alb36
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- Re: Underlying causes: what the hec... dvjorge
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