Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? 
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Hi there,
What are your thoughts on blastocystis' relationship to probiotics?
I hear everywhere and from everybody that probiotics are the holy grail of gut problems. But when suffering from blastocystis they did NOTHING for me, regardless of the brand, type of cultures, or very high dosage.
I hear on the other hand that blastocystis eats bacteria for lunch (presumably both so-called "good" and "bad" bacteria). So, if true, taking probiotics would only feed the blastocystis and make it stronger.
And yet still, the internet is littered with people taking probiotics to try to get rid of a bug (blastocystis or otherwise). Is this just misinformation that we need to correct at least for blastocystis carriers?
PART 2 of my question is on taking probiotics AFTER anti-protozoal Antibiotics . I figured (at the time) that if the blastocystis is presumably dead that taking probiotics (or yogurt or kefir etc.) would be fine. Now I think that was big mistake.
I felt great and completely recovered and back to my former self after taking the Australia combo. That lasted for 3 months. Then, immediately after taking probiotics and kefir, all the symptoms came back in full force and knocked me flat again. I'm theorizing that there were a few weak cysts left and that feeding them made them rear up again. Next time I try a combo of meds I'm planning to forgo all the "rebuilding the gut flora" stuff and avoid all cultured foods/supplements indefinitely.
In other words, I'm thinking that probiotics are a bad idea for blastocystis suffers both during and after, despite conventional wisdom.
Thoughts?
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This is from the CDC website
Is Blastocystis hominis the cause of my symptoms?
It is hard to be sure, and experts disagree on this point. Whether or not B. hominis is the primary cause of your symptoms is unknown. Some types of B. hominis may be more likely to be associated with symptoms. Finding Blastocystis in stool samples should be followed up with a careful search for other possible causes of your symptoms.
Symptoms may be caused by infection with other parasitic organisms, bacteria, or viruses. Often, B. hominis is found along with other such organisms that are more likely to be the cause of your symptoms.
Sometimes symptoms are not caused by an infection at all. Antibiotics , some cancer drugs, and medications used to control high blood pressure may be causing your symptoms. Hormone or endocrine diseases, diseases like Crohn’s, colitis, or hereditary factors may be the cause of illness. Food additives or food allergies may also be a cause of abdominal discomfort.
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- Re: Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? MattP
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,709,885Wow, you answered my exact question. I too believe I have a case of blastocystis (waiting on confirmation tests). I was thinking of taking probiotics during and after treatment but heard the same as you that it might very well feed the protozoa. Probiotics seem to be the new "it" thing out there, a cure for ALL your ills. I think in a few years we might hear that in fact they too have some side effects, just as we did with Antibiotics . As always, what may heal one person might hurt another :( as frustrating as that is...
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885Please keep us updated on your progress... As someone who is about to go down that same road I would love to get your feedback...
Just out of curiosity, did you change your diet before or after? I mean removing starches, grains, refined Sugar and alcohol? - Re: Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? linenup
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885Probiotics will never kill protozoa. I suspect you had remaining cysts in the gut, I would question that by taking probiotics that it made it come back.- Re: Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? DocG
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This is all silly talk.
The gut is literally inhabited with around 100 trillion X 10 bacterial cells (10 human beings worth of bacterial cells live in our gut, our body contains 90% bacteria DNA and 10% human DNA). Balance of the right species is everything.
In reality, even a "large" dose of 100 billion probiotics represents a very tiny percentage of what is already there. So technically, you are not going to feed or regrow the blasto (bastard) with dusting doses of probiotics. If it comes back, it never went away and the probiotic, in conjunction with the constant microbiological warfare going on in the gut, just revealed this simple reality.
An SIBO condition, an overpopulation of good and/or potentially bad bacteria, can sometimes be made worse with probiotics.
The key to successful treatment is first rebuilding the inherent gut defense systems, which are taken down hard by Mr. Blasto, then providing the these systems the specific (oxidative) weapons they need to finish the job, post treatment.
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885What is the Australia combo?
I need to learn about killing off B. hominis also.
I've read that it's hard to get rid of because it gets into the mucosa layer of the gut where meds can't penetrate. My thought was to do a Master Cleanse before taking Alinia.
Any thoughts?- Re: Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? mategaham
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This is a reply to # 1,710,548Boy, it is hard to find anyone who has successfully treated blastocystis permanently. Good luck with the Alinia; it didn't work for me.
The "Australia combo" is Secnidazole (400 mg 3x/day), Diloxanide Furoate (500 mg 3x/day), and Bactrim DS (also called Septrim DS, or SMZ-TMP DS; the DS means Double Strength; 800/160 mg 2x/day.) It is researched by (and available from) the Centre for Digestive Diseases in Sydney, with a doctor's prescription. It replaced an earlier iteration of secnidazole, nitazoxanide, and furizoladone. Both of these combos worked for some blastocystis sufferers -- and we all owe a HUGE debt of gratitude to Dr. Borody of CDD and Jackie of badbugs.org for looking for cures.
Unfortunately it didn't work for me, and I tried it . Moon two separate occasions. Most recently, I followed it immediately with 10 days of Nitazoxanide (also called Alinia; 500 mg 2x/day), Diloxanide Furoate again (500 mg 3x/day), and Bactrim DS again (800/160 mg 2x/day) and then another 10 days of Tinidazole (also called Tindamax or Fasigyn; 500 mg, 4 tablets 1x/day), Paromomycin (also called Humatin; 250 mg, 2 pills 3x/day), and Bactrim DS again (800/160 mg 2x/day). For anyone who's counting, that;s 7 drugs total, over 30 days. This was paired with an extreme low-carb/low-sugar/no probiotics/no cultured foods diet, and also paired with sterilizing and sanitizing the whole house. I was hoping this would be the final battle, and indeed I felt incredibly great for several weeks, but unfortunately it all came back again.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,736,453Wow! That's sucks for you and is disturbing for the rest of us!
I think I've had it so long, I wouldn't know what feeling normal would be like. - Re: Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? TravellerCM
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885Hi,
In my case, after taking Bactrim to get rid of the Blastocystis, apparently the Blasto was eradicated (lab test results were negative) but still a lot of upheaval in the GI tract with relapses of yellow, watery diarrhea, anal itching, rash, swelling, gassy episodes (I presume it was yeast/dybiosis)C Dif came back negative ... the ONLY thing that worked to bring about control and normal BM's were probiotics and lots of them in varying doses along with kefir/yogurt. I will be eternally grateful to probiotics for rescuing me from the nightmare aftermath the Antibiotic left me with. They are a precious as gold and well worth the money spent on them.
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885I was diagnosed with Blastocystis hominis and entamoeba dispar. The stool test also revealed an abnormally low level of Secretory iga (sIgA). sIgA is the predominant antibody, or immune protien the body manufacturer's and releases in mucosa linings, including the gut. It is a necessary component to protect against viruses, bacterial, parasites and other germs. Stress, anxiety, negative moods, inadequate nutrition and excessive alcohol intake are some causes of a low level of sIgA. In my case, several months of negative moods and mental/physical stress were the cause. I would suspect this caused a proliferation of parasite colonies, which the body can get rid of normally, or keep in control at least.
Of course, the fix to increasing sigA levels is stop the causes mentioned above. L-glutamine has been shown to greatly assist in rebuilding the levels. Also, the probiotic S.boulardii has been shown to significantly increase SigA in mice and rats. Good luck.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885Your story sounds like many I've read in that after a course of Antibiotics / parasite killers, that the symptoms return weeks/months later. I've read this happening with and without a followup negative stool test. I would suspect that the drugs (just like herbals) do diminish the parasite colonies but under certain conditions they come back full swing. I've been taking probiotics, along with some other supplements and my Blasto is actually better. So, I don't think probiotics cause any issues, at least not for me. Whether you feed the parasites probiotics or not, they will find plenty to eat otherwise. The gut contains an unlimited supply of bacteria, and the foods we eat supply even more. Probitoics just increase the amount. In my opinion, I would take the probiotics, as it can only help to strengthen the gut which is what is needed to fight off the enemy. Getting over Blasto is a long commitment of weeks/months of healthy living. Gentle care and feeding of the gut is of upmost importance. One cannot let down their guard and take chances on the immune system taking a hit, or damaging the intestines while they are healing. No alcohol, no stress (or limited), plenty of rest and deep sleep, happy living, lots of prayers. The body can heal itself, but only if you allow it to. - Re: Blastocystis vs. Probiotics? sjr3king
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885Please email me as to who prescribed Paromomycin (Humatin) for you. I need to find a doctor who will prescribe it - even though I have tested positive for Dientamoeba. reply to 'sjr3king@gmail.com' Thanks in advance. Yes, I think the probiotics are a mistake too. Stephen K.
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This is a reply to # 1,709,885HELLO MATEGAHAM.
FROM YOUR DESCRIPTION, I WOULD ASK TO CHECK OUT ALLERGIES OR IgG REACTIONS TO DAIRY, CASEIN, WHEY, GLUTEN ETC AND SALIVARY IgA.
WISHING YOU THE BEST
HEATHIR
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