80/20 disinfo alert.
I see paranoia is running rampant in this forum. And of course your little lost puppy Uny is following you again.
Soybeans need to be cooked for a good long time to inactivate the bad stuff..
It takes as little as 10 minutes of cooking. This is a "long time"? It takes that long to cook my pasta!!! And it takes longer than that to cook raw soybeans.
As for the study I want to point out that first of all we are not mice and do not share their chemistry. Secondly there are many studies showing the anti-cancer properties of soy. And if you look at the study you cited you will see that soy flour had no effect on the cancer despite the fact that it would still contain the phytoestrogens. When molasses was added though there was cancer cell proliferation. So maybe it is the molasses promoting the cancer. Molasses contains both sugar and iron, both well known for proliferating cancer cells.
I've never cooked soybeans but everything I've read says that they need to be cooked for a long time. Are you talking about dried beans?
To cook dried beans does take more than 10 minutes. What I was pointing out is that the goitrogens and enzyme inhibitors are destroyed with as little as 10 minutes of cooking. So by the time you cook the soybeans to eat them these compounds will have been long gone.
Not even lentils cook in 10 minutes.
>>"Once upon a time no Europeans ate any kind of potatoes, yams, peppers, strawberries, blueberriesetc."<<
Yes, about 65% of food variety comes from the *New World*, however, with a few exceptions, most of it was wild varieties initially.
And their genes were modified to make them bigger, better stability, better flavor, more disease tolerance, etc. Do you realize that if genes were not modified that corn would not exist the way it is today? Corn started out as tiny grass seeds. So how would anyone have a tolerance to the constantly changing genetics of crops? The answer is the body adapts. We do not need the "ancestry" for certain foods.
>>"Because those are New World foods and they had not discovered the New World yet. Now Europeans and people of European descent thrive on those foods"<<
Again, my point... and adaptation to the food occurred.
And read my last response again because adaptation does no require long periods of time. The body adapts to new foods very quickly.
Citrus... same thing... I know many people allergic to citrus to the point that they stop breathing just from the smell alone... they do not have the dietary adaptations, due to their ancestry to tolerate citrus.
Again what our ancestors ate has NOTHING to do with what we can or cannot eat today.
There is NO food that is ideal for everyone... and there is NO diet that is ideal for everyone... we have all adapted UNIQUELY, to different foods through our INDIVIDUAL ancestry.
No, we adapt to foods as we eat them. Nothing to do with our ancestors. Let me give you an example. I was allergic to both mother's milk and cow's milk as an infant up to the age of 5. My ancestors had both, yet I till had allergies to these until I OUTGREW these allergies. How did I outgrow my allergies like so many other children do? Because what I was eating had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what my ancestors ate. It had to do with giving my adrenals time to mature since allergies stem from adrenal dysfunction, not what what some distant relative ate or did not eat.
If you love and tolerate soy and eat it every day... go for it... I would fall ill doing that... I almost gag just thinking of soy milk... but that is ME and my ancestry.
Gagging because of thinking of soy milk shows a psychosomatic reaction. This is not a physical reaction to the soy milk. This is a great example of why people need to stop posting all the false propaganda about soy. It leads to people developing psychosomatic reactions to soy because they think it is toxic and therefore the body follows through with how the subconcious mind believes the body should react.
The human genome changes ever so slowly over the eons. What nourished our ancestors and what they tolerated has EVERYTHING to do with what nourishes us and what we tolerate. That is not to say that we do not tolerate food crops which man has developed over the centuries through selective breeding, which could occur in nature after all. In most instances, man of thousands of years ago might have tolerated many such crops quite well. Trans-gendered food crops and crops artifically mutated by man which were highly unlikely to evolve in nature are quite another matter. They are anything but natural and we do not tolerate them any more than we tolerate the vast majority of man-made pharmaeuticals and chemical compounds. Why? Because all of those are things that we have not lived alongside and adapted to for thousands of years. These are truths which should be obvious.
The human genome changes ever so slowly over the eons. What nourished our ancestors and what they tolerated has EVERYTHING to do with what nourishes us and what we tolerate. That is not to say that we do not tolerate food crops which man has developed over the centuries through selective breeding, which could occur in nature after all. In most instances, man of thousands of years ago might have tolerated many such crops quite well. Trans-gendered food crops and crops artifically mutated by man which were highly unlikely to evolve in nature are quite another matter. They are anything but natural and we do not tolerate them any more than we tolerate the vast majority of man-made pharmaeuticals and chemical compounds. Why? Because all of those are things that we have not lived alongside and adapted to for thousands of years. These are truths which should be obvious.
So what do you eat? Nearly every plant on the market today has been manipulated by man changing its genetics. Same for most meat sources except for wild fish. So what do you eat that has 100% of the same genetics as it was when your ancestors ate this food 1,000 years ago?
I submit that there is a difference between plants created via selective breeding and cross pollination - as could have occured in nature - and those which man has created via trans species genetic transplanted material, artificial gene manipulation and and other unnaturally created plant and animal forms.
What my ancestors ate a thousand years ago and what was around a thousand years ago may have little resemblance to today, but is has everything to to with what I might be able to adapt to eat today. I probably eat healthier than 90% of the folks around, and I could eat a lot healthier still. I do try to avoid unhealthy foods and GMO items. Such as soy.