Wow, I thought we're adults here and this was a debate forum. I can't find attacking and abusive posts you're talking about.
LMAO is abusive???
It really sounds like YOU have the agenda. You want not only want this to be a liver flush support group, but one big happy family!
I'm sure you'll ban me for disagreeing with you, but that's OK. I don't have an opinion about flushing, but I care very much about our freedom to debate. The people in here sharing their time and knowledge are doing it because they believe they're helping people.
You can find real abuse all over cz. Check out the ends of posts on the conspiracy forum or get rid of that one poster who took over the Philosophy forum and leave these civil, caring debaters in peace to carry on debating.
If only all moderators would take the same stance and action as you have! I don't allow it in my private forum, nor do I allow it to any great degree in the public forum I moderate. If it were up to me, it would not be allowed anywhere. There is simply no reason we cannot debate and discuss civilly and hold ourselves to a higher standard than all the flaming forums that despoil the net. This is supposed to be a site for healing. How healing is it to insult and demean others?
True, if there was insulting and demeaning going on here, but I don't see it. I don't even see debating. These people aren't even getting a little mud on them. This is so mild, I can't believe a moderator is getting involved here, when there's real insults, demeaning, harassing and cruel behavior with no redeeming value all over cz.
The people arguing against liver flushing are in here spending their precious time sharing facts and experiences here to help people, and prevent harm. It's totally different from what they're being accused of. You have to look at their intent.
It looks like they're the ones being harassed.
All debates get heated, but this isn't even warm in here. What's the big deal? There are "debate forums" in here that are illegal in many states, but the moderator's threatening good people in here for silly little things that most children do and say every day.
Grow up people. If you can't take the heat get out ot the debate forums and go to the support forums. What good or fun is a debate if you can't debate? This is not a debate. This is a bunch of whining and complaining because people don't agree with you, and now threats by the "moderator"! Where's the real moderator?
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What you're saying is there is no debating alowed here. It's become the liver flushing suport only group. That's very obvious.
I'm just concerned that a moderator condones this! This needs to be brought to the attention of the cz owner asap.
Didn't you read the rules in here? You're guilty of almost all of them!!! (Reminder to myself and other debaters, copy and paste what you're responding to because they'll edit all their attacks out.)
"What qualifies as a personal attack, name calling, verbal abuse?
insulting one's opponent
belittling one's opponent
using derogatory comments
ridiculing one's opponent
annoying or irritating one's opponent
threatening one's opponent
libel
using vulgar, obscene, or otherwise objectionable comments
questioning in an insincere manner
Any message addressing a person rather then claims that person made is likely to be a personal attack!"
what i don't understand is that the ant-flush contingent claims that the flushes do not work. fine and dandy.
but then they go on to say that the flushes are dangerous.
how can something that supposedly does not work be dangerous?
this is one of the many obvious contradictions in their logic
There is no contradiction of all if the whole explanation is looked at rather than fragments of it. The risk is IF the person has real gallstones present, which the vast majority of people doing these "flushes" apparently do not have. If real gallstones are present then the contraction of the gallbladder can lodge these real and calcified stones in a bile duct requiring emergency surgery. If no real stones are present the only thing that is going to happen is that they are going to pass the saponified olive oil in their feces that they will mistake for real gallstones. See, no contradiction at all.
then they say that the sphincter of oddi cannot dilate enough to let stones pass through. so if the sphincter cannot dilate sufficiently to let stones pass, then there is no danger at all.
Again that is not what was said. What was said is that the bile ducts, which consist of more than one, cannot dilate sufficiently to allow the passage of real gallstones the size of the blobs of saponified olive oil are passing. In other words as has been pointed out numerous times people are claiming to have passed gallstones in excess of 25mm or more, which is far beyond the absolute maximum dilation of the bile ducts even with the magnesium sulfate. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for these to have come from the gallbladder, which it has been proven they did not. This is why these blobs do not have the color, texture, consistency, density, or other characteristics of REAL gallstones. And why lab analyses have consistently confirmed that these blobs are not true gallstones but rather "hardened olive oil", also known as saponified olive oil or soapstones.
If real gallstones are sufficiently small, a few millimeters or less, or sludge then this can pass through the ducts. But these large green blobs people have posted photos of are clearly not real gallstones. And since they are not coming from the gallbladder there is no issue with how far the bile ducts expand since these soap stones are forming in the intestines not the gallbladder.
Curezone has a survey of the many people who have safely done these flushes and all the possible dangers which are rare are discussed in the introduction and explanation sections!
The only reason it is safe is because the vast majority of the people doing these "flushes" do not have real gallstones. So there is nothing to possibly get lodged in the bile ducts. If they had real gallstones then there is a great risk. But as has been shown over and over the green blobs that people are passing are primarily saponified olive oil, which there is no risk of passing since they are formed in the intestines instead of the gallbladder.
Life has its dangers, are you going to stand in the street all day and night warming people they may get run over by a car if they cross it???
So if you see someone in danger you are going to do nothing? That is what I and some other people are doing here. We are warning people that may have real gallstones of the potential dangers. If someone still goes ahead and injures themselves in the process then the only person they have to blame is themselves.
The fact that other forums have worse instances of bad behavior and abuse does not excuse abuse in this or any other forums. I guess it depends on where you draw the line. No doubt, I draw the line a bit higher than others - but I simply do not think you can have spirited and forceful debate without having to resort to name calling, redicule or belittlement. Such things might be considered fun for some folks, but I consider them unneccessary and potentially harmful. As I said, this is supposed to be a place of healing and I don't see running another person down as being healing in any way. If you disagree, then we will have to agree to disagree.
To repeat what I posted earlier in another debate forum:
When it comes to contentious debate, my so-called wise words have come from experience. In earlier times here, I had more of a tendency to take things more personally than I should have - and still have to guard against the tendency to jump in too heatedly and too longly, sometimes more successfully than others. I am reminded of the old Longfellow poem: The Arrow and the Song I shot an arrow into the air, - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow I've slung my share of arrows here in days gone by and wish now that I had many of them back.
It fell to earth, I knew not where;
For, so swiftly it flew, the sight
Could not follow it in its flight.
I breathed a song into the air,
It fell to earth, I knew not where;
For who has sight so keen and strong,
That it can follow the flight of song?
Long, long afterward, in an oak
I found the arrow, still unbroke;
And the song, from beginning to end,
I found again in the heart of a friend.
I couldn't find any personal attacks or any of the rest of it. Where is all this bad behavoir?
Did you notice any facts, research and time debating?
After months of sharing and getting told to leave the debate forum because no one wants to debate, wouldn't that frustrate you?
Where's the dirt?
Where's the debate?
I just see people expressing their opinions.
Everyone should go and leave these flushers alone, they've taken over the forum, like the poster in the Philosophy forum. No debate here!!!