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Zoebess
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Re: wow!! can it be???? #129589
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Yes, that sentence tells a lot of the story..
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Re: wow!! can it be???? #129589
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I don't think this is the end of this disaster, there will be decades of health problems to come, and decades of wrangling in the courts, for justice and compensation. Instead of oil slicks, it will be slick lawyers.
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- Re: wow!! can it be???? Mira528
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,676,004"Instead of oil slicks, it will be slick lawyers."
Good point - although we'll probably have both!!
- Re: wow!! can it be???? #129589
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,676,004I agree completely.
You cant inject a gazillion gallons of oil and chemicals into a body of water and expect it all to magically disappear. Trying to prove to everybody that theres still some there is somewhat pointless, of course its still there. I mean, duh!
My point was there are people fishing, and some of the beaches are, at the very least, somewhat ok to go onto.
But the Gulf is still there, it hasnt blown up. And unless those terrible PTB's are planning their next big move, it appears that this one is calming down just a little.
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I continue to be confused by how you so often seem to try to grasp at positive spins on what is happening in the Gulf. There is nothing positive about it. Did you not see the experts testify that the toxic oil will be with us for decades? Did you not note that the poster you replied to is desperately trying to sell her house and move away from the gulf?
I hardly find reports from two guys who make a living catching sharks to be reassuring. What did they do to assure that their sharks were safe to eat? The smell test? Eating the catch themselves and not yet getting sick? Is there a smell test for cancer? And some cancers take up to eight years or longer to develop and become even the size of a pinhead or match head. I bet a lot of the cleanup workers at the Exxon Valdez spill who did not get terribly sick right off or who seemed to get better thought things were safe too. Might have even munched down on some fish they caught in Prince William Sound. Twenty years later almost all of them are dead, and the average age of death was 51.
Appearing to get back to normal? Yes, that is what it has been about all along isn't it? Making things "appear" to get back to normal, complete with lie after lie, restricted access, bogus statements and coverup after coverup. Appearances aside, the Gulf is nowhere back to normal and will not be within our lifetimes.
- Re: Appearances lie. Why do you kee... Zoebess
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This is a reply to # 1,676,022I agree, and this is not just about
appearances of trouble, it is about
BP hiring scientists to shut up and
now, others are stepping up to warn
the people. It is about hiding the
death of animals and the statistics
of people getting ill. It is about
where the oiled cleanup debris went
and where did they bury the oiled
animals?? There are a lot of questions
to be answered, and yet, BP and the
Obama administration is actively busy
sweeping this event under the sand so
to speak, and news reports are also
content not to make it an issue any
more.
Me, in my mind, it is still a HUGE
issue. My family is also there and
I am concerned because the oil that
the government is working so hard to
convince me is "gone", could come
and contaminate the place where I
live, during a hurricane.
Living in the Gulf area, I am also
concerned because people will be
selling and serving Gulf food
which is not being tested for heavy
metals and dispersants, etc. If
this is the way the government is
going to conduct business in the
Gulf, who needs enemies. And yeah,
lawyers, being lawyers, they will
take advantage at every turn, but
the average person needs INFORMATION
to limit their exposure to the toxins
and to be able to make choices whether
to stay or leave. I hated that during
the Exxon Valdez event so many listened
to the petroleum company and the government
who insisted over and over it was safe
and of course, decades later, the total
opposite bore out as truth. There is oil
everywhere there still and the damage
remains evident and the health repercussions
still ongoing. It is not a stretch to say
that the government ONLY learned that telling
lies over and over will work and that the
way to limit liability is to lie. So in
the GOM event, the lies are steady and
strong. It is up to us to raise our own
awareness and to communicate with others
our concerns so that WE at least learn
from the mistakes of those who believed
Exxon and the government 20-some years
ago.
blessings,
Zoe
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This is a reply to # 1,676,022Lets just all roll over and die Tony.
I mean, whats the point in living when the world we live in is so full of misery.
I never said that there werent still huge problems. I simply was trying to get the point across that some people here are making certain aspects of those problems unrealistic and spinning those issues off into unrealistic tangents.
Excuse me for insinuating that there might be some hope, God forbid that would happen.- By all means embrace life, but do no... Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 1,676,402
I have never insinuated that anyone should abandon hope or roll over and die. As a matter of fact, I have posted many constructive suggestions. Neither however have I insinuated that people should in any way grasp at the false hopes put forth by BP, the Obama crowd or the complicit agencies who are attempting to cover over the disaster with rosy statements that are in no way consistent with what has happened or what independent scientists, reporters and witness are telling us.
It may be your intention to offer hope, but when I look at the body of your posts on the subject I see you have continually grasped at many of the false hope messages. You may disagree, as is your right, but in my opinion, and I daresay the opinion of many others here, a great number of your posts have been more than simply posting against the wilder theories.
I don't want to see mass hysteria or people abandong their lives to hand wringing, but I surely don't want people to bury their heads in the toxic sands and get the false and decidedly dangerous idea that things are normal or even that they are going back to being normal.
By all means embrace life, but by all means do not abandon caution.
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This is a reply to # 1,676,467I agree completely.
But I dont grasp at false hope messages, I've been around the block too many times to be so naive.
I DO feel there is hope though.
Covering a flower garden with BS can create a dirty stinky mess, but eventually, hopefully, something good can come from it. :0)- Re: By all means embrace life, but d... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,676,486There are many people who have no choice but to stay where they are in the Gulf, they don't have the means to be able to up sticks and leave, or they have family and other reasons to stay. They do need real advice on how to make the best of a bad situation, and that is what many are doing.
I personally don't think that the Gulf will be back to what it was, pre oil drilling, (there has been much contamination of the Gulf waters before this latest BP disaster), but there will be a "new normal", and for those that can't leave, it will mean dealing with all that entails.
I'm glad to see the back of all the OTT Conspiracy stuff, such as the FEMA camps, the mass deaths, evacuations, threat of using nuclear bombs to fix the problem well, the whole gulf blowing up etc etc. These horror stories do nothing to help those that cannot leave, and just cause more fear and stress. There are problems in the Gulf still, and probably will be for decades to come, but keep it real.
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- By all means embrace life, but do no... Dquixote1217
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I am asking everyone about what is going on in the gulf, but that hardly makes this situation normal.
Normal is taking for granted that the water you drink and the air you breath, and the ocean that you live near aren't toxic waste dumps.
I never believed any of the more colorful gulf disaster theories, obviiously the giant tidal wave hasn't materialized as yet.
But what is now a fact of my life is almost constant worry about my own health, my husbands health, my neighbors. Are we eating, breathing or drinking something that hs been comtaninated? I'm not worrying about my retirement planning like I used to, trust me, I suspect my life will be shorter than I expected, as will many other peoples lives as well.
I am terribly disappointed that it's going to be very hard to make public what is happening right around me. But we are a marginalized group down here.
I think your post is horribly disrespectful to all the people down here who have been really ill, a heart attack is no joke, we have a cluster down here, and it's my belief that the people I know here have had their health comprimized by the oil spill. As I thought all along, it's not going to end with a bang, but with a whimper.
Because they aren't very conventional people they are just not going to share their stories with CNN, which was my
first thought on the matter.
That doesn't mean that what is going on down here is OK, it's unspeakably difficult for both my husband and I right now.
Just because one part of the Gulf is OK, doesn't mean that it will stay that way, and it doesn't mean that something pretty nasty is getting covered up in the 'no entry area' where no fishing is allowed.
I don't know where you live, but I doubt very much that you ask everyone you meet how the ocean near you is faring, or if they've seen anything out of the ordinary, like I do now.
And I've heard stuff, everyone is worried, both about themselves and the wildlife. They worry because they see birds they can't identify, the migration patterns are off. They are worried about the sea food, they aren't sure about the water in their homes. They same guys who told me they could see the bottem of the gulf also said the feds won't let you into the restricted area, and that was wierd.
Not to mention that anyone who want to move is facing the fact that house prices in the area just fell another 20% last month.
I'm getting tired of getting bashed for posting what is going on around me, could you possibly, please, consider that I'm in something of a crummy situation?
It sounds like you want everything to be OVER, and it just isn't.
We went to the range yesterday, we shoot antique handguns and rifles as a hobby, and came home sick from being outdoors for not more than a couple of hours.
I have a bad feeling that a little corexit can go a long way, and I have to live with the consequences, as does everyone else down here. I don't appreciate your post, I thought it was pretty disrespectful, and you took what I wrote completely out of context.
I would love it to be normal, but we are a long way from that.
julie77
