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Re: Weigh The Options The Hunter
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,576,446This is not the place to expose your arrogance my friend, so I will leave this discussion.- Re: Weigh The Options InnerCalm
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,576,504This has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with knowledge and experience. As usual, you are ill informed and seemingly proud to share your ignorance.
- Re: Weigh The Options The Hunter
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This is a reply to # 1,576,917
Exploratory surgery you say is ignorance?
I did not suggest surgical REMOVAL of the GB (although I had mine removed without any after-effects like MM had) so let me put that straight for a start.I am quiet aware of the dangers of removing GBs but it appears you prefer treating the effects rather that the cause.
X-rays do not reveal everything in a diseased GB because most times gas caused by digestion/inflammation in a diseased GB can hide the problem.
Ultrasound can be used and exploratory surgery. One just cannot be given herbal treatment etc. until one knows precisely what is wrong.
Cause and Effect! So yes treating and cleansing can be done but even in that event one must take great care.
[[[As usual, you are ill informed and seemingly proud to share your ignorance.]]][[[Have you actually read much here at curezone? Do you actually know what good health is and how to achieve it?]]] you say?
Let me put you right my friend, if you can even BOTHER to read it without your usual "jumping to conclusions" act, spurred on by your incessant beliefs that you have the "magic formulae" for "everything" gets in your way
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?
As you see I do get around on Curezone and it took me quite some time to put myself right and what I have learned is only in regards to my problem. I have shared my experience with others so just maybe they might find something in it that might help them with their problem with "Hypertension" etc.
[[[However that said, I recommend the poster look at the methods of cleansing and optimal nutrition as outlined here at curezone and weigh that against the mainstream medical procedure you are recommending and make an informed choice.]]]
I have looked into this "optimal nutrition" that you speak about, and yes if you can afford over $2,000 you may be given what is "claimed" to prevent any disease because (they claim) "energy foods" are THE answer, now have I read things like this before? lol.
You live in a world of fantasy, making all these claims without a shred of evidence to back them up and I find that's it's all at a cost as usual. Well cookie boy I live in the real world so keep your condescending remarks to yourself.
You wander aimlessly around CureZone with your immature behaviour. Instead, why don't you earn your own living and get a life.
- Re: Weigh The Options InnerCalm
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This is a reply to # 1,576,949Hunter says:
"...so I will leave this discussion."
What happened? You came back.
Your ignorance is stacking up.
Your comment about living in "the real world" is an excuse to accept the mainstream approach and is a very victim oriented comment.
As far as immature behavior, look in the mirror.
People can do a quick check on people's posting histories which I think is wise.
BTW eating raw living foods doesn't cost 2000 a month. I say this not for you because your mind is very closed, but this statement is for anyone else that happens on this thread. Using lots of sprouted seeds will be very inexpensive. Less than conventional foods that are toxic.
- Re: Weigh The Options The Hunter
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- Re: Weigh The Options InnerCalm
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This is a reply to # 1,577,284It would be best if you did. Keep laughing though, that is quite healthy.
- Re: Weigh The Options InnerCalm
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- Re: InnerCalm... itsmeagain
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This is a reply to # 1,577,266Hi,
Do you take pro-biotics? I am just catching up to some of your posts on other forums. Your posts have helped me a lot.
I doubt you buy into smooze but here goes...
You are the most fascinating person on the earth right now.
You should probably be out saving the whole world instead of a few poor schleps around here. I'm sure you know best.
Thank you, I am grateful.
- Re: InnerCalm... InnerCalm
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This is a reply to # 1,577,350Sense of humor ranks #1 on the all time be healthy list. ;-)
As far as probiotics, yes they are very important. Some are better than others and people need to try what works for them in this regard.
Cultured vegetables work well and if you are still in a cleansing mode I highly recommend getting something with L. Sporenges in it. Paul Pitchford also recommends this strain as it works wonders. It is the key strain in high priced formulas such as Threelac.
Soil based organisms also do well but it is important to get a clean source.
The importance of probiotics (micro flora) can be thought about this way...
Plants need microorganisms in the soil to help the rots of the plants get minerals into the the plant.
Humans have our root system within our intestines and we also need the assistance of microorganisms to help assimilate nutrients into our system. These organisms are also a very important part of our immune system.
- Re: InnerCalm... InnerCalm
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- Re: Weigh The Options The Hunter
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- Re: Weigh The Options InnerCalm
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- Re: Weigh The Options The Hunter
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- Re: Weigh The Options InnerCalm
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- Re: I need some advice. Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,576,412Having the gallbladder removed is unnecessary when you know how to cleanse the gallbladder and liver with herbal tinctures and flushing procedures.
This is partially true. There are cases in which removal is absolutely necessary. For example if someone lodges a real stone in the bile ducts from ingesting a large amount of oil. If this occurs you are not going to dissolve the stone before serious damage occurs.
In addition gallbladders are not always removed due to stones.
This is why it is best to prevent the formation of stones in the first place or dissolve them if they are really present. To prevent their formation lecithin granules, bitters, increased fiber intake and SMALL amounts of oil with meals will help. To dissolve stones that may be present again lecithin granules and bitters are my first choice. Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) can also help, especially if used like a bitter rather than capsuled.
- Re: I need some advice. InnerCalm
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This is a reply to # 1,577,466Are you familiar with Julia Change? She makes a great set of tinctures for liver/gallbladder. If you have not you may find her website interesting.
http://www.sensiblehealth.com
- Re: I need some advice. Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,577,473For the most part I avoid tinctures. They are expensive compared to powders and they lose beneficial insolubles as well as the reaction of alcohol on certain plant compounds can change their properties. Therefore except in very rare cases I will not use tinctures.
- Re: I need some advice. Hveragerthi
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- Edited #111992
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This is a reply to # 1,577,466The amount of bile produced in a flush lubricates the bile ducts, while Epsom Salts dilate them. This doesn't happen during a gallbladder attack. That's why taking a Tbsp. Epsom Salts when in the middle of an attack is the recommended way of halting the attack and pain. Moreover for a flush there's also been sufficient previous stone softening and crushing. Even the proponents of those protocols that don't use Epsoms (like Julia Chang's) don't worry much for stuck stones 'cause the pain sensation is much milder than during an attack and in those rare cases their tinctures can push or soften the stuck stone.
Most people report gallbladder attacks disappearing completely after just their first flush. That's even before the calcified stones at the bottom of the gallbladder have started coming out. They usually start coming out after 5 flushes. These stones sink in the toilet water, they're not the bright-green oily type. They can be spotted because the laxative effects of Epsom Salts make sure that no fecal matter obstructs the view. Collect them to feel they're really stone-hard. A hammer blow may break them apart. Huge sizes have been reported, up to 3 inches across. From the beginning this forum has witnessed links to sporadic unorthodox opinions by M.D.s who've come to accept that stones can exit the gallbladder with these methods -like they do in a gallbladder attack, only without the pain and spasms-, and also reports from people who've taken ultrasound scans as confirmation.
- Re: I need some advice. InnerCalm
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- Edited #111992
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This is a reply to # 1,576,407Best-selling author Andreas Moritz has a chapter on the most common treatments for gallstones. This is an excerpt:
"Treatments typically used to deal with Gallstones aim at either dissolving Gallstones directly within the gallbladder or removing the gallbladder through surgery. However, these treatments have no effect whatsoever on the large amount of stones congesting the bile ducts of the liver. It is important to realize that every person who has Gallstones in the gallbladder has multiple times as many stones in the liver. The surgical removal of the gallbladder or its stones does not substantially increase bile flow, because the stones that are stuck in the liver bile ducts continue to prevent proper bile secretion.
"Even in the case of surgical removal of the gallbladder, the situation remains highly problematic for the body. Since the pumping device for bile (the gallbladder) is now gone, the small amount of bile that the liver is able to squirt out through its congested bile ducts comes forth merely in dribbles. Both insufficient bile secretion and the uncontrolled flow of bile into the small intestine continue to cause major problems with the digestion and absortion of food, particularly if it contains fats. The result is an ever-increasing amount of toxic waste that accumulates in the intestinal tract and lymphatic system. The restricted ability to digest and assimilate fats stimulate the cells to increase production of cholesterol. The side effect arising from this emergency maneuver of the body is the generation of more gallstones in the liver bile ducts. Therefore, removing the gallbladder is not a solution to digestive problems but, rather, a cause of further and more serious complications in the body, such as cancer and heart disease. Balanced bile secretion, on the other hand, protects the body against most diseases.
"Any treatment of the gallbladder, however advanced and sophisticated it may be, can only be considered a drop in the ocean of cure because it does not remove the main problem, which is the hundreds or thousands of gallstones blocking the bile ducts of the liver. "
From my experience.... MatrixMaven
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They yanked my gall bladder from me when I was 20 years old. I had a few attacks and they were very painful. The doctor was concerned about the stones getting into the bile duct, causing pancreatitis. Pancreatitis ensued anyway.
The butcher who operated on me left a 6-7 inch scar. No more bikini 
Living without the gall bladder started a downward spiral, affecting my disgestion and liver. My energy levels went way down, at the very time I was having my babies.
If I could do it over, I would have done every clease and made every nutritional change necessary to avoid this life-changing decision. Actually, it was not my MY decision but the surgeon's. I was so young and didn't know better.
I wish I had read a forum like this beforehand.... Patient beware. Do all your homework before any decisions.
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Gall_Bladder_Removal___Long_Term_Health_Issues_t79613.html
- Btw MatrixMaven
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This is a reply to # 1,576,518I am happy to report that I was able to undo the damage of the gall bladder surgery. It took a few years to figure things out, but nutrition, cleansing, innerwork, some life changes, etc. and I'm good as new!!
Be well.- Re: Btw #111992
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This is a reply to # 1,577,420Thank you. It's a great story. Such a complete turnabout for you! Gives me hope regarding someone close who got it pulled out a few years back and has been going downhill since.
- Re: Btw MatrixMaven
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This is a reply to # 1,578,702Oh yes, please do have hope! It definitely can be turned around. Besides all the cleansing, detoxing, nutritional support, and rebuilding of my immune system, let me share one more thing that really helped me.
Even though on the physical level my gall bladder was removed, it was still in my template or energy body. I worked on my energetic gall bladder, using things like Reiki, tachyon, matrix energetics, whatever tools you may know. If you don't know any, just send your gall bladder love. LOVE love love it. Gently gaze at it with your mind's eye. Bring awareness to it. Thank it. And release any emotions that it is holding. Just open a window in the gall bladder area with your mind's eye, ask yourself if you'd like to let go of any anger or sadness or grief, etc etc. and say "yes yes yes yes yes" The action of saying "yes" releases negative energies. With your mind's eye, watch and FEEL the negative energies flow out the window.
Be well, and best regards to your friend.
- Re: Btw MatrixMaven
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- Re: Btw #111992
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