Amount Of Fat In Diet Pre-Flush 
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Frankly, I eat a huge amount of fat in my diet. On average, it probably makes up 50-60% or more of my total caloric intake.
What I was wondering: Does eating a lot of fat in general and then cutting out all fat ensure greater stores of bile, or would this practice actually leave you with smaller stores of bile when it comes time for the big day? Keep in mind that I plan on using a huge amount of oil (2 cups at once or so) for the cleanse, just in case to "counterbalance" the effects of a generally high fat diet.- Re: Amount Of Fat In Diet Pre-Flush southern belle
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This is a reply to # 152,006What kind of fat do you eat?
Two cups of oil? Boy, I will truly admire you for the rest of my life if you get all of that down! Ha
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...I already did it! :o) it actually wasn't very hard at all and I experienced no nausea whatsoever. I didn't spread it out either like that one protocol suggests, just downed it tablespoon by tablespoon - coconut, olive, and flax oils - until 32 were gone! Does that mean you admire me for the rest of your life? ;o)
As for the kinds of fat I eat - olive oil, coconut oil (not that often - I don't like the taste very much), flaxseed oil, Udo's choice, this fake (non-hydrogenated) butter product, canola or safflower mayonnaise (I've been liking the safflower a lot more), fat from the animal products I eat, occasionally 'normal' butter... that's all I can think of offhand. As often as possible, non-oxidized (not fried) oils and never trans-fats.
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- Now I see!! Johnny Vegas
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MoreThis is a reply to # 152,047Coconut doesn't count!!! Coconut oil isn't digested the same way other oils are - it goes straight to the liver, so it doesn't cause a release of bile.
So take away any coconut oil you ate and work out the total for the rest.
Also I would stay away from canola - not a healthy oil. And the fake butter too. Butter is great, but make sure it is from grass fed cows (e.g. anchor butter from new zealand). See the work of Weston Price for more details on grass-fed vs grain fed.
JV.
- Re: Now I see!! AllyB
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MoreThis is a reply to # 152,056You're thinking of only the MCT (Medium Chain Triglyceride) portion of the coconut oil, I believe, and I'm not 100% sure that that still wouldn't cause a release in bile. Anyway, only 2/32 tablespoons of the oil I drank was coconut - I generally despise the taste, but wanted to keep a more balanced set of lipids.
- Coconut oil is entirely MCT Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 152,067Have you been taking prescription or herbal antifungals? Prescription antifungals may be best if you honestly and seriously think you have a severe case of candidasis.
I'd suggest that you start a lowERED carb diet that simply, for the most part, cuts out huge amounts of starches. Continue doing these flushes and try to maximize their effects each time. Start on a significantly intense weightlifting program. Work out 3/4 days a week. The way to work starchy/concentrated carbohydrate into your diet: In the one or two hours post-workout, eat a meal filled primarily with protein and carbohydrate. The carbohydrate you eat during that window will be well-absorbed and utilized by your body. During this period, you actually want to look away from fructose (fruit sugar), since fructose favorably replenishes liver glycogen stores rather than muscle glycogen stores. I'd say some chicken and a potato or two would be good.
Getting in shape this way will dramatically improve the effectiveness of your immune system. There are a number of useful supplements that have wide reaching effects in your body that you may use as well - past vitamins, minerals, and fruits + veggies, you can take such wide-reaching supplements as CoEnzyme Q10 and Pycnogenol - powerful antioxidants that support living tissues well.
If the Liver Flush helps so significantly, I would surmise that improving the health of your liver would also help significantly in the long term. Milk thistle has been repeatedly proven to impact your liver health in positive ways. Various other "bitters" - such as dandelion - may be beneficial as well for their general effects on bile flow.Advertisement
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- Re: Coconut oil is entirely MCT AllyB
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This is a reply to # 152,072Coconut oil is 14.9 to 15% MCT.
Source I - (14.9% of coconut oil is MCTs) - http://www.futurescience.com/mct.html
Source II, III (MCT oil is 75 percent caprylic acid and 25 percent capric acid) - Seasalt .com/hebeofcooil1.html;">http://www.celtic- Seasalt .com/hebeofcooil1.html; http://www.coconut-connections.com/weight_problems.htm
Source III ("On average, virgin coconut oil has the following fatty acid compositions...Caprylic, 8.0 percent; Capric, 7.0 percent") - http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2003/sept/27/life/20030927lif1....- Re: Coconut oil is entirely MCT Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 152,078Go to futurescience - the article is written in 99, and frankly I don't trust it, e.g.:
> But 14.9 percent of coconut oil is MCT oil and another 48.5 percent is C-12 fat. The C-12 fat is classified as an MCT.
A blatant contradiction. 14.9% of coconut oil is MCT, and yet 48.5% is C-12 (Lauric acid) which is an MCT!!!
Heres is a more realistic breakdown of coconut oil I got from one website:
C8 ...... 8.86 (Caprylic)
C10......6.17 (Capric)
C12......48.83 (Lauric)
C14......19.97 (Myristic)
C15......Traces (0.01)
C16.......7.84 (Palmitic)
C18.......3.06 (Stearic)
C18:2 ....0.76
C18:1.....4.44
C20........0.05 (Arachidic)
Now C8, C10,C12 are all MCTs. I'm not sure if C14 is classified as an MCT. Even if not, that still leaves the majority of coconut oil being composed of MCTs.
http://www.coconutoil-online.com/Fatty%20Acid%20Composition.html
- Re: Coconut oil is entirely MCT AllyB
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Ahh, nifty. In one study I read (http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1517-86922003000300005&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en) they are defined as having 6 to 12 carbons, and that seems to be the general rule. However, nearly every study on MCTs uses the standard pharmaceutical MCT oil which has very little C6 or C12, so I'm not all that sure where things stand, then. I doubt that C12 is a magic cut-off point - probably between C12 and C14 things get blurry and multiple metabolic pathways come into play.
Moral of the story? I'll keep taking some coconut oil with my flushes, but never too much. - Re: Coconut oil is entirely MCT AllyB
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This is a reply to # 152,106Okay, I'm a biochem geek. I've spent probably an hour looking up information on C12 metabolism and found something interesting - I CAN'T FIND A THING. Slightly more than half the sources I read classify C12 as an MCFA, and slightly less classify it as a LCFA. However, more "reputable" sources (educational, etc.) tend to classifcy it as an LCFA, but this proves nothing. I couldn't find a thing about whether it was hydrolysed in vivo or not.
In one Japenese study they refer to a C12 FA as being hydrolysed by a certain enzyme. That's the closest I have. :o\ Sketchysketchy.
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- Re: Amount Of Fat In Diet Pre-Flush AllyB
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- Don't kid yourself Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 152,006Don't kid yourself - you won't be able to down 2 cups of oil. No way. More is not better.
My optimal amount is between 2/3 and 3/4 of a cup. I would rather flush with only 1/2 cup than a full cup which is too much. More oil doesn't produce a better flush. Often worse.
I think its good that you eat a lot of fat. Cutting it out will mean your body will store a lot of bile in preparation for the flush, which should help.
JV.
- Re: Don't kid yourself AllyB
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This is a reply to # 152,017:o( I did already, and it worked really well...? I'm certain my body must have released more bile than it would have with a smaller dose.
- Re: Don't kid yourself Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 152,048Weird!!??
You really managed to down 2 cups of oil?? I am impressed.
Do you know roughly how much oil that was (say in mililitres?)?
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473.18 - about 500 ml. it's also about 32 tablespoons x 120 calories = 3840 calories of fat at once. :-o
It's just another example of your body adapting to the conditions you put it through. My digestive system has become better at digesting large amounts of fat and my body itself has also become better at metabolizing fat (I'm sure that enzyme production has upregulated and the like.) Until I went on this cleansing/detoxification cycle, I had been on what's referred to as a CKD - cyclic ketogenic diet - for a while. It was mostly for athletic purposes. Basically, I would eat a huge amount of fat - probably 70%+ of my calories as fat - and the rest protein, with fresh/frozen fruit and non-starchy vegetables making up any carbohydrate I got. Every 2-4 days, I would 'carb-load' - literally eat hundreds of grams of carbohydrate in one or two sittings at my end of the day meals. It worked very well - I managed to get the benefits of both low carbohydrate consumption and acute high carbohydrate comsumption (muscles filled with glycogen, etc.)
I'm sure that's more than you wanted to know, but hey, we're here to learn, right? ;o)
Anyway, if you have any mayonnaise suggestions that don't involve canola or safflower oil (I've heard mixed views on safflower, but that's the kind I've been using rather than canola) let me know, because mayo in and of itself is a pretty significant part of my diet (tuna + chicken salad) and I definitely don't want soybean oil mayo... that's kind of sad, isn't it?- Re: Don't kid yourself Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 152,069OK you are no chump. But apparently I am - never heard of a CKD diet - fascinating.
Are you a bodybuilder? Or some other kind of athlete???
If there is one thing I would claim to be expert on its oils. I'm not a big cook, but these are the oils I would stick to:
1. Butter (preferably grass fed)
2. Olive oil (extra virgin)
3. Coconut oil
4. Flax seed oil (cold processed, stored in opaque container and refrigerated) - eat in moderation.
Can you possibly use olive oil in Mayo? Failing that how about something like Udo's Choice or some Flax? The important thing is that you shouldn't heat it. Also try and eat it fresh as whipping it up will cause it to oxidize. How does that sound?
JV.- Re: Don't kid yourself AllyB
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This is a reply to # 152,073CKDs aren't that common, but the idea is just to extract the benefits of both types of dieting and to manipulate endogenous (in-body) hormones (insulin, testosterone, etc in particular) for your long-term benefit. The idea is to have a metabolism that is geared towards lipid peroxidation (fat burning) rather than carbohydrate oxidation (carb burning) so that your body will be more likely to burn body fat in addition to avoiding chronically elevated insulin. Two major CKDs that I can name are The Anabolic Diet and the Natural Hormonal Enhancement diet - the second in a book called (appropriately) Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin. I've read a summary of the first and I have the book for the second - if you read it, though, take with a grain of salt.
Bodybuilder/athlete in my spare time, but I've also been studying nutritional Science for years (also in my free time). :o)
Actually, another major source of fat would probably be from egg yolks (uncooked - think sunny side up). The one time I tried making olive oil mayonnaise, it tasted terrible. I think that oxidation /would/ be a significant problem with flax, but maybe I'll try it anyway. Honestly, I don't like spending too much time experimenting in the kitchen.Advertisement
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- Re: Don't kid yourself Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 152,079A fellow nutritional Science junkie I see!
You are right about raw egg-yolks. And whole egg for that matter. Recommended by both Shelley and Dr Mercola. Great source of usable protein and lecithin and fats I guess.
If you are interested in lipid peroxidation then do you use L-carnitine at all (which apparently escorts fatty acids into mitochondira to be used as fuel)?
JV.
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This is a reply to # 152,107I cook the egg whites though, since denaturing the egg white protein makes it more bioavailable.
I've never been into taking isolated aminos, except for L-tyrosine for neurotransmitter support before intense workouts, exams, etc. and L-glutamine during my last cleansing cycle (since I was putting my body under so much stress - I think that L-glutamine supplementation in general is generally ineffectual, however). The L-carnitine thing is something I've heard of, and I might experiment with it if I bring my calories back up to the levels they were at at one time, but with my current caloric intake... and really I think I already buy enough damn supplements. ;-p
Oh, and also, one of the other reasons I eat (raw) egg yolks regularly is that they are a potent source of (unoxidized) cholesterol and sulfur-based aminos, I believe.
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This is a reply to # 152,006I would suggest that you drastically reduce the amount of fat in your diet three days before flushing to allow the bile pressure to build up and produce a more forceful flush. When I was doing frequent flushes last Fall, I would eat a high fat diet for several days, then quit the fat until after the flush. It really helped get a lot of stones out. There is some evidence that people that eat a balanced diet with plenty of healthy fats have less incidence of stones than those who eat a low fat or non-fat diet. However, those who seem to already have weakened gallbladders or very congested livers cannot tolerate fats at all. Before I started regular flushing I could handle all fats but dairy, ice cream and cheese would cause severe pain every time. In fact it was a serving of premium ice cream that caused such a terribly painful gallblader attack that I found Curezone and began regular flushing.
I tried the two cups of oil flush and I promise you that I will never again in this lifetime or any other ever do that again. It was horrible! My ideal amount of oil is in the 1/2-3/4 cup range. Any more oil than that causes severe nausea and simply comes out and floats on top of the toilet water. I firmly believe that the classic Hulda Clark flush is best for first time flushers, Epsom Salts and all. Although I think the Andreas Moritz protocol of drinking apple juice for a week prior the flushing produces a much better and easier flush.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 152,027speaking of the olive oil... i have noticed that there are two kinds on the market... lst is extra virgin oo, and the 2nd being extra light oo (although non of the extra light is virgin)... for a lst time flusher which would you recomment, the extra virgin, or the extra light?
- Re: Amount Of Fat In Diet Pre-Flush hopinso
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This is a reply to # 152,037Extra virgin is from the first pressing of the olives and contains the most beneficial qualities. It is usually more expensive and stronger tasting, but most of us use it because its the best. Extra light oil is from the third pressing of the olives and may contain other oils to stabilize it (according to some sources). I have used it in the past and it worked, but,it also caused more nausea than the extra virgin.
I hope I'm remembering all this correctly, its been a while since I've studied the oils. Still, when flushing, go for the best you can afford. Your liver is worth it.- Re: Amount Of Fat In Diet Pre-Flush paws43tails
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