Lecithin 
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Why is there so much controversy about lecithin?Some sites
consider soy bad other people say the liquid is better and
the granules useless.Give us your explanation on Lecithin?
What do you think of the 12 day Lecithin Flush?Apparently
if you take 3 tablespoons of Lecithin a day for 12 days in
a row it will help clear your arteries of plaque?Did you
get my email the other day?
Thanks
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Why is there so much controversy about lecithin?
There is a lot of misinformation going around the net about soy and some other substances like canola oil. People make up rumors about these things and since human nature tends to be to focus on the negative they accept these rumors without question and pass on the rumor. If you search this site I posted about soy myths back a while ago.
Some sites consider soy bad other people say the liquid is better and
the granules useless.Soy is not bad in general other than being a common allergen. And then there is the GMO thing, but this applies to other foods as well. I personally feel that a lot of these rumors were started by industries that soy competes with such as the meat and dairy industries.
As for liquid vs. granules the granules are definitely better. If you ever saw crude liquid lecithin it is very thick and extremely sticky. Properties that don't make it easy to work with in machinery for bottling or soft gel technology. For this reason the crude lecithin is highly diluted with soy oil to thin it out enough to run through the processing machinery. Therefore the liquids have very little lecithin and are primarily soy oil. The granules are produced by removing the oil component from the lecithin. This concentrates the active components such as phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylserine, and phosphatidylethanolamine.
Give us your explanation on Lecithin?
What do you think of the 12 day Lecithin Flush?Apparently
if you take 3 tablespoons of Lecithin a day for 12 days in
a row it will help clear your arteries of plaque?I recommend a tablespoon 3 times daily on a regular basis as long as the person is not allergic. Lecithin has so many benefits in the body including helping cell membranes, bile formation, myelin formation, keeping the organs supple, fat absorption, liver health, etc.
Did you
get my email the other day?I emailed you back, nothing came through. I have not checked emails today yet.
- soy-what about phytic acid? ruff magruff
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This is a reply to # 1,497,543right now i am pretty convinced soy is not a safe thing to regularly ingest, especially anything with soy protein isolate.
although i may eat a serving of tofu once a week, i take it as a sign of wisdom that those of the orient, the cultivators of the soy bean, rarely ate it in an unfermented form. fermented soy is a different story, like most fermented things.
straight soy, as i know, has the highest levels of phytates and also the highest levels of protein of almost any grain and legume. also the estrogen mimicking compounds which soy companies market as good for womens and mens health, they say, lowering chances of breast and prostate cancer. i often side with the information that is not being paid for by parties with a particular interest in the outcome. for this reason i favor independent studies, and as far as i know, these show soy to be dangerous and soy companies to be full-of-it.
this isnt to say anything about lecithin since i dont know much about whether it is a wonderchemical or harmful or inert.
can y'all respond to this? with succint evidence enough to settle the mind?
tanky
~ruff
- Re: soy-what about phytic acid? Hveragerthi
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
I have addressed these in the past:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1449316#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1474016#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1485942#i
And no, soy is not the highest source of phytic acid. This is a great example of the misinformation about soy being passed around the net that I was referring to. As we can see the top three sources in this list are considered "healthy" food sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid Food sources of Phytic Acid[13] Food [% minimum dry] [% maximum dry]
Sesame seeds flour 5.36 5.36
Brazilnuts 1.97 6.34
Almonds 1.35 3.22
Tofu 1.46 2.90
Linseed 2.15 2.78
Oat Meal 0.89 2.40
Beans, pinto 2.38 2.38
Soy protein concentrate 1.24 2.17
Soybeans 1.00 2.22
Corn 0.75 2.22
Peanuts 1.05 1.76
Wheat flour 0.25 1.37
Wheat 0.39 1.35
Soy beverage 1.24 1.24
Oat 0.42 1.16
Wheat germ 0.08 1.14
Whole wheat bread 0.43 1.05
Brown rice 0.84 0.99
Polished rice 0.14 0.60
Chickpeas 0.56 0.56
Lentils 0.44 0.50
Phytic acid is also found in many other foods considered healthy including barley, carrots, broccoli, artichokes, figs, strawberries, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, artichokes, blackberries...... The phytic acid could be in part responsible for the anti-cancer effects of many of these foods.
By the way, for those not familiar with the term linseed in the list above, this is also known as flax seed. This is a popular supplement and is also another goitergen, which is another aspect the anti-soy advocates like to harp on. But goitergens are readily destroyed by cooking or fermentation, which are both common for soy products, but not flaxseed. Flax seed is also a phytoestrogen source, which anti-soy proponents also falsely claim are dangerous. So there should be more of an uproar over the use of flaxseed than soy. Being that there is not just further backs my point that there are people out there that will say anything, true or not, to keep people away from the benefits of soy. So who has the most to gain from such misinformation? I still think it is the meat and dairy industries.
And about phytoestrogens:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1443251#i
- Re: soy-what about phytic acid? ruff magruff
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This is a reply to # 1,497,792alright sounds good, im checking you previous posts and you make some good points.
what about most soy traditionally being used in fermented or repeatedly (or sustained high temp) cooked form?
i do trust traditional medicine a good deal
does phytic acid impair enzyme activity or digestability of nutrients? if not then is the idea about sprouting or fermenting nuts, seeds and grains merely BS--i think not.
again traditional cultures extensively use fermentation and less extensively sprouting, is it for other reasons of bioavailability that phytic acid is not subject of?
several medical/nutritional papers have been writen about whole grains and how they may be worse then processed empty grain flours because of their phytate content
i dont think a grain diet was a very beneficial thing for the health of human bodies. but again is this for reasons other than phytate...or in your opinion is phytate an across the board okay thing to consume regularly?
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- Re: soy-what about phytic acid? Hveragerthi
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
alright sounds good, im checking you previous posts and you make some good points.
what about most soy traditionally being used in fermented or repeatedly (or sustained high temp) cooked form?Most soy products are either cooked or fermented. Even soy nut butter is roasted and soy milk is cooked. And tofu products are fermented. I don't know of any raw soybean products off hand.
i do trust traditional medicine a good deal
does phytic acid impair enzyme activity or digestability of nutrients? if not then is the idea about sprouting or fermenting nuts, seeds and grains merely BS--i think not.The sprouting is to inactivate enzyme inhibitors, not phytic acid. The phytic acid is a phosphorus source for the plant, and it is a mineral chelator.
again traditional cultures extensively use fermentation and less extensively sprouting, is it for other reasons of bioavailability that phytic acid is not subject of?The fermentation destroys the goitergens in the plants as well.
several medical/nutritional papers have been writen about whole grains and how they may be worse then processed empty grain flours because of their phytate contentI disagree. They are still overlooking the facts that the phytic acid will already be bound to minerals. In order to take other minerals or metals from the body it would have to give up what it is bound to already. So it is not really robbing the body. Secondly the phytic acid has a higher affinity for minerals and metals that are dangerous in low levels that minerals that are beneficial. Therefore phytic acid helps to protect us from heavy metals, excess iron, etc.
i dont think a grain diet was a very beneficial thing for the health of human bodies. but again is this for reasons other than phytate...or in your opinion is phytate an across the board okay thing to consume regularly?Yes it has its benefits. We can make arguments against any food. Is meat really good when it can cause an overload of uric acid, damage the kidneys, put a strain on the liver,...........?
- Re: soy-what about phytic acid? fonthill
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This is a reply to # 1,498,025Anyone eating soy should probably read this!
Soy is a by product and not a very nice one!- Re: soy-what about phytic acid? Hveragerthi
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Anyone eating soy should probably read this!
Soy is a by product and not a very nice one!Soy is not a byproduct. It is a food that has been consumed safely for thousands of years. But again it has to be cooked or fermented first.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,497,748Problem with soy is farmers have too much. It's toxic in unprocessed form and most people have a reaction to too much processed soy. This includes major headaches, nausea and diarrhea. Soy lecithin is a huge source of B vitamin and it will help the energy levels of anyone suffering from B deficiencies but the effect goes away after a few days and then it can cause nervous energy and erratic behavior. It is better to use other natural sources of lecithin such as eggs and cheese.
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This is a reply to # 1,497,543Should we take up with food? also any possible interactions with any vitamins/herbs.
Currently I am taking 1 teaspoon twice with food
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
I felt the same about taking lecithin after years of avoiding soy products. Being hypo soya was a big no no, but lecithin is so beneficial, if you can take it, i would.
As i have lipid deposits under skin etc, and probably high cholesterol, i decided to take the lecithin. I'm only taking 1 tablespoon at the moment, but will build up to 3. I'm still not going to use the soya milk though.
They are now doing lecithin from sunflower seeds, if you are allergic to soy. It is not available everywhere yet though.
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