If your mommy or daddy or some preacher comming to a heathen land and did not hand you a bible and tell you here this is the "word of the one living GOD!" ---thunder rolls in the background
Message from the preacher giving the bible - in a loving spirit (in sheeps clothing) (but inside the very teachings cause the preacher to rape all the native alter childern) and to spiritually enslave the population...
Then where would you be spiritually?
If I deliver a message in the spirit of love - does this make the message - valid?
This is how Christianity is used - to FOOL the sheep....
baaaa baaaa BAH Humbug :)
Know that he who created all things is BIGGER then the little ideas in the bible...
WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLEEP!
:) nice that you asked...
My hope is - to discuss this. My hope is that we all have open minds - My hope is that we realize that life is - shades of grey... as opposed to just white and black... My hope is by better seeing others' opinions - I #and we# can expand my #our# awareness of what is called life...
Like putting a million piece jigsaw puzzle together - the more pieces we have in place - the better we can see the overall picture....
So then - I would suggest that "the bible" is 1 piece of this puzzle.
There are MANY religious "books" and many "teachers"....
So then who is right and who is wrong? maybe all are right and all are wrong????
Maybe the closer one sees-feels-experiences TINY pieces of what this source of all is - THAT THERE ARE NO SPOKEN WORDS TO DESCRIBE THIS!
Just know that if what you do or don't do is due to your belief as to what shall happen after physical death of this bag of flesh you call your body (that which we think as of all that we are)- you are off your true path and simply wasting time...
The logic of I AM god - I made yaw but I don't understand you - so I decide #after MANY generations# to come down to earth myself to see what you mere mortals go threw. Then WOW now I see what you poor creatures are going threw.. Let me see I will let this body die as a sacrifice for all the sins of ... umm urrr all who believe my story that I am doing this... So grace for the "believers" and the law for everyone else... So then the law and death for the unbeliever and grace and heaven - salvation from death salvation from the law ummm errr but wait actually you can only have grace for a short time - then you have to follow the rules... ummm errr I mean you have to bear good fruit... oops I mean good fruit of the spirit that is shown by following my rule book...
There we go - a well controlled population - all going to paradise - don't worry your sufferings - doing with out - that which you perceive as needs - I am taking care of you and I told yaw after you die I will give all your riches which you have earned from your doing without and sufferings that you saved up while you were alive.....
So then - I say your hope - IS GRANTED NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO< SAY<ACT<LIKE<DISLIKE...
So then with that out the way - you now may grow spiritually... understand?
I was looking for 666 on his big hat - but didn't see it -maybe it is on the inside label?
snicker
So then you are saying the pope is the anti christ - well then why does he go by the bible?
foolery-possible - intentional foolery - none there
The establishment of a fact by the use of evidence = proofing OK I am learning words so I can converse with yaw :)
There is a big problem with proofing any religious beliefs for they are beliefs instead of facts. Thus it is impossible to proof - in the physical - that which is spiritual to show to someone else.
So then how can one proof spiritual matters - well I would say - only to themselves - and only by applying ones beliefs or you could say proofing their beliefs - over time shall he proof them to himself or herself as the case may be.... yes?
What is left to say.. hmmm oh the folly of my post - I can clearly see now - for it benefits none - and only causes potential strife and divisions.... chuckle well IM uh learning... Not that I have not proven this spiritually to myself - but that blurting this out is of no benefit - for no one will believe it - with out "proofing it" which requires much time and effort. Maybe it is/was just the devil a playing with my feeble old mind... probably so... :)
Can't you just see that "want to be right spirit flairing" bad ego bad boy - I send you to the dog house till you learn to behave! Oh if it were so easy... but this is a good lesson for me - thx for shedding light onto the matter.
Good night... woops 4am good morning - I don't know why but I like this time of night... There feels like a gentle energy flowing and I want some MORE :)
see yaw
I read it last night then again just now...
I am seeing that Christianity IS an important step in ones spiritual growth for those who were taught it in their early years of life. Yes
But I would add - "proof" or tp prove all things to ourselves- by living our beliefs...
Now can you do me a favor? Can you find me some spewed hate within my posts as you claim? I can only seem to find compassion... Maybe it is how the reader chooses to interpret my posts... For with all things - we may read into any material as we wish...
Take Care
and I look forward to our next volly :)
You left out the most important part of proofing..... Application
Note: I have worked over the years with some of the highest trained folks civilization has to offer in their specialized area of study. The title given was PH.D....
I found that MOST of these folks did not understand what they had been taught - thus they spouted "learned facts" but were unable to create much of anything...Ask them a question and they spout a string of memorized facts at you... So then this is much study - BUT no proofing - what you desire me to do...
But then there was a few who understood the concepts behind the facts. They were able to apply the "speculated facts" into their world for the "facts" to become living to them.... These individuals - the world calls "genus" and are able to create from this living word...This is proofing - it is a shame that you do not understand the uncommonly used word "proofing" which you use and I had to look up in order to converse with you with out confusion.
So then for the student - it is best to read little and meditate on the material much... If one seeks to be on the path of proofing... OR one can read much and re-read often to memorize the words-so that they can spout the taught facts which they read... This is not proofing - this is memorization - which is also called brain washing - or conditioning into a mode of thought...
I would add true "masters" are students for life... 99% of us do not need new material - we need proofing of that which we have.. But then this is where the rubber meets the road so to speak...
Be well
To proof ones self is to read and understand the wholeness of the subject matter personally.This is not proof reading but making sure one is able to fully understand for one self.The scriptures is a message from god that happens over thousands of years.It takes far more study than a basic read through to truly understand the glory of Gods word.This has no thing to do with memorization but everything to do with understanding and completion of purpose.For when it comes to a relationship with God it does not matter what anyone else knows about scripture.Only what the individual knows not what they think may or may not be true.No doctorate is needed but if one wishes to make it so then go for it.Application would be to try God and see what happens.Earlier you wrote that you were under the impression the bible was authored by the anti-christ.Was there any particular scripture that gave you this impression?
I am in harmony with your current message. This thread has been instructional to me - I can now see the flow of things if you will. As far as specific passages - you mean I need to get off my arse and go read the bible? well I am busy playing with Chakras and 3rd eye - pineal/pituitary gland potential usage stuff... playing with intuition and expanding into clairvoyance - stuff like this.... things god created within us but for some strange reason - this info is oh so "secret" hog wash I say!- just men seeking power and control - want such hidden... looks like they are losing control - for this info is floating all over the public domain.... Only fear is holding the masses from it... this shall not last... well not in "my world" :) - which shall expand exponentially with minds in unison - separate and unique - balanced with of the one mind - which is that same - of the source...
Just forget the anti-Christ stuff... if there is any truth to it - would not your god tell you so???
take care and enjoy your wonderful journey
Interesting that you mentioned that.. I read something just last night about the "Kundalini awakening"
It basically said - it gives liberation to yogis and bondage to fools... meaning for me to follow what I feel is my path - if this comes fine - if not fine.. Basically if one unleashes this and does not have the spiritual control - he will be a slave to is for life... As we are/were to the ego.... this is my understanding...
I just went to 1/2 book store this evening - The book"The Shining Ones" by Philip Gardiner attraced my interest for 6 bucks cool :). Just having fun with my new found freedoms. For as long as I get to keep me :) I am sure I am on the 1 milion person list of our 4th right gov ...
What is the saying "K sera sera"..."what ever will be will be" but I seem inclined to bitch about it from time to time...
Larerz