is baking soda completely safe? 
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just want to be sure since I take it with ascorbic acid often.
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First of all, a teaspoon of Baking Soda contains between 1100 and 1300 mg of Sodium. Secondly, baking soda can raise blood pressure. And third, there is the issue of maintaining a steady blood pH. From Cancertutor.com:
The real issue is getting the baking soda past the digestive tract. (When baking soda is injected) This creates a localized area of the body which has a high concentration of baking soda. It is an effective treatment.
. . . . getting the baking soda past the digestive tract does not create a localized area of high concentrations of baking soda.
It is NOT advisable to create a wide area of a high concentration of baking soda because the blood must remain at a constant pH.
Furthermore, human blood already contains some baking soda. The baking soda acts as a buffer for acids.
Human blood must remain at a constant pH or else the person may die. It is not wise to tamper with this pH. Baking soda already in the blood is used by the body to keep the blood from becoming too acidic.
Some have suggested that the combination of baking soda and maple syrup in the stomach creates carbon dioxide which is helpful in treating cancer.
The fact is that carbon dioxide is present throughout your body. Every cell in the body excretes carbon dioxide. The blood carries this carbon dioxide to the lungs where it is discharged when you breathe.
Claiming that adding carbon dioxide to the body is good is like saying that taking a shower outside, during a thunderstorm, is good.
In short, this treatment is not in any way endorsed or supported by the Cancer Tutor website.
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This is a reply to # 1,364,480so I guess it's not good idea adding it to ascorbic acid then, but I read somewhere in this forum about this procedure...
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Well, the original question was whether it was "completely safe" and the answer is that it isn't. But that is not the same as saying it is completely unsafe. Based on what I have read I would say it would be a good idea to limit the amounts if someone were determined to use it. I personally do not use it nor recommend it, but I do not recommend against it completely just that a person use caution. The same is true for H202 taken internally. Yes, lots of people take food grade H202 - but there is a chance of adverse events and one should be careful. (Of course, the list of things one should be careful in taking is a long one)
Let me ask you - what is it that you are using baking soda and vitamin C for?
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This is a reply to # 1,364,657I read on this forum about adding half tsp of baking soda to 1 tsp of ascorbic acid powder in a little water, let it fizz and add more water and drink it to avoid stomach irritation and hemorrhoids problems that could cause ascorbic acid alone.
Whether is true or not I'm not sure yet.
- Ph, Ascorbic Acid and Coral Minerals... Miss Helfinger
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This is a reply to # 1,364,668Are you actually having trouble with your stomach and ascorbic acid or are you looking to raise the Ph of the C? And is it the C that's bugging your stomach or the iodine? Some people are still sensitive to different forms of iodine. There are a few tricks to add to Lugol's to lower stomach irritation. Look up the phrase 'poor man's iodoral'- I believe folks talked about adding olive oil or EVCO to it to attempt to bypass the tummy and get 'er into the intestines.
If Ph of the C is what you're after and ya have litmus strips around this is an easy experiment. If you've felt too acidic taking the C, yes, Ester-C is a good idea. But rather than purchase yet another form of C - perhaps you have something else to help raise the Ph of the form you have already. Less cash output is a good thing - then go for the Ester-C when ya run out. Ascorbic Acid is still the best form (reading Newport way back) for chelating Lead and for the Pauling protocol. Other forms of C are good for rebuilding tissue and what-not. I think those forms are better taken in FOOD form, though - all your co-factors will ALWAYS be found in food form.
In order to raise the Ph of the Ascorbic Acid - isn't it a better idea to add just a pinch of sea salt or coral minerals? I mean, aren't coral minerals (cal carbonate, especially if you're using it to bind to halides) better activated by a bit of acid anyway? And if the Ca/Mg will help raise the Ph of the Ascorbic Acid a touch - why add baking soda?
As far as I understand - there's not anything adverse possible in using the coral minerals or plain sea salt to raise the Ph. Your body can still gain the benefit of electrolyte love and trace minerals by using the sea salt.
I think I remember reading that MSM would raise the Ph of the Ascorbic Acid as well. When I was doing larger amounts several months ago (and getting a lot of benefit from it), my Ph began to tip and my tummy got wacky. I added a bit of MSM and Coral Minerals and everything was better.
Besides - it's a good way to get the binding action you're looking for with the iodine protocol anyway. It makes it easier to combine some of those companion nutrients.
I have a favorite Coral Minerals for this. This place called http://www.bio-alternatives.net
sells ascorbic acid, coral minerals and a hand-full of other stuff by the pound, pharmaceutical grade.
And remember, if your Ph is starting to go off, your minerals are low - eating more fruits and veggies will raise it and help quell tummy irritation anyhow.
Good Luck!
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This is a reply to # 1,364,4804thly... increases gas in the gut enormously.
Very good topically though for superficial skin cancers, namely basal cell carcinoma in my case it has worked very well.
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- Re: is baking soda completely safe? Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,364,465There is really no need to do that, if you are worried about becoming too acidic due to a starving cycle or something then switch to Ester-C and the tiny amount of calcium will fix that.
This is what I do when I take DMSA overnight and it works well.
One thing you do NOT want to do is take it regularly, let your body decide what the PH should be. It reacts to toxins and detoxes and viruses by adjusting continually up and down. Also Baking soda kills stomach acid so unless bound to Maple Syrup I wouldn’t use it.
The Maple Syrup + Baking Soda thing on the other hand does have some value. The point is that you don't need a lot and you don't need it often but 1/2-1tsp first thing in the morning isn't a bad thing for most.
If properly done and taken on an empty stomach the sugar bypasses the stomach and is taken up in the small intestine without much stomach involvement. The cancers I can claim it works on are opportunistic Candida carcinomas and Leukemia which appears to require Hg toxicity and a Barium Chemtrail dump.
I have used Canada #3 for this but if you go to Wiki you will find a comparison to Grade B Amber I believe for US grading. It must be that grade the others do not work, and you should freeze the bottle first to make sure no sugar has been added (there will be crystals if they did).
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- Re: is baking soda completely safe? #94139
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This is a reply to # 1,364,686thanks Newport,
that cleared up my iffiness about this.
I'll switch to easter-c.- Re: is baking soda completely safe? #38782
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This is a reply to # 1,364,697Ester-C I read just a few minutes back has Aspartame - just so you know....
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- That is an old version, the newer on... Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 1,364,686
Newport, the post you link to quotes the old Cancertutor page on the Kelmun protocol. Go back and follow the link in that post and you will find the update page from whence my quotes above come. The newer revised Cancertutor page rejects the protocol totally.
As Webster Kehr says on the new page, there is no way for maple syrup to chemically bind to baking soda. Which is true even if you melt them together.
Maybe I am missing something (it would not be the first or last time), but when it comes to Leukemia, how it is possible to get a mixture of baking soda and maple syrup past the stomach acids simply by taking on an empty stomach, and even if possible, how can you get a non chemically bound substance into the bloodstream and delivered intact to a cancer location?
From what I understand, the very act of injesting maple syrup will result in stomach acids, empty stomach or not, which will react with the baking soda and render it into CO2, water and salt, and the maple syrup will be absorbed seperately as a simple sugar. Even if somehow the stomach acids do not complete their job, I still do not see how a combination of maple syrup and baking soda can reach any cancer as one substance regardless of the melted slurry that may have been ingested in because there is no chemical bond.
I guess the bottom line is that I can see baking soda itself affecting cancers from the mouth through the anus and having other health benefits when used wisely and cautiously, but I do not see how it can effectively get to any cancers, such as leukemia, via oral administration where it has to enter the bloodstream and I see no added value whatsoever in the maple syrup. In fact, I see just the opposite when it comes to cancer because cancer just loves sugar.
I do note that there is a good page on Vitamin C and baking soda at CancerTutor:
http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitC_BSoda.html
Tony
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As Webster Kehr says on the new page, there is no way for maple syrup to chemically bind to baking soda. Which is true even if you melt them together.
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I have gone back and I understand their claims but it really doesn't take much work to see what happens when you combine the two.
Just like caramelizing sugar for let’s say peanut brittle when you add the baking soda to make it more brittle you get a huge foaming effect and a distinct change in texture, flavor and appearance.
We don't need to make a new molecule, we just need to bind it to a sugar to bypassed stomach acid creation, sugar digestion does not happen in the stomach.
These steps are so easily repeatable and known by any housewife that has ever made peanut brittle that it is almost embarrassing to have to point out.
The key is quality and grade of Maple Syrup plus sufficient boiling time to change the characteristics of the sugar same as when you caramelize white sugar.
Sugar chemistry is nothing new, and if I was making this in any large quantity I would even supply a minimum temperature needed to achieve this using a sugar thermometer but I bet all that is available from the guys that make Maple Syrup candy for a living.
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OK, that is all well and good info - but you know what they say about "wives tales". Baking soda/maple syrup is firmly in that category with me when it comes to having much effect on tumors or much else that is outside the digestive tract and must be reached via the bloodstream.
Sugar does get broken down before it enters the bloodstream. Maple syrup is mostly concentrated sucrose with small amounts of glucose and fructose. All of the sucrose is broken down into glucose and fructose, which would seperate all of that sugar from the baking soda.
"Sugars are digested in one step. An enzyme in the lining of the small intestine digests sucrose, also known as table sugar, into glucose and fructose, which are absorbed through the intestine into the blood. Milk contains another type of sugar, lactose, which is changed into absorbable molecules by another enzyme in the intestinal lining."
Source: NIH
Since the baking soda/maple syrup melted compound is a mixture, it would seem very likely that the breakdown of the large majority of the sucrose sugar and would result in the breaking apart of the baking soda from virtually all of the maple syrup sugar components.
So the maple syrup may help the baking soda get past the stomach acid but it still does not get the baking soda into the blood stream and I can still see no significant benefits of orally administered baking soda outside the digestive tract.
I don't think Cancertutor, the source you pointed to, rejected the protocol because they felt it worked. I keep thinking about what an MD turned Naturopath with decades of experience told me about baking soda when I asked him about the baking soda/maple syrup protocol:
Baking soda will clean the corrosion off your battery terminals in your car too, but it isn't going to work if you put it in the gas tank".
Tony
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I am telling you what I see and anyone with $6 can try it out at home.
from: http://www.beating-cancer-gently.com/archives.html
Since then, 'Dr. Jim' has dispensed his mixture to more than 200 patients diagnosed with terminal cancer. Amazingly, he claims that of that number, 185 lived at least 15 more years -- and nearly half enjoyed a complete remission of their disease."
Well, you get the idea. When Dr. Sircus and I discussed this subject, it was obvious that the "goofy" article on "Dr. Jim" had made him put on his thinking cap (which is quite well worn -- Dr. Mark is one of the "thinkingest" docs I know). In fact, he sent me an article he had written on the subject that should interest any of you "battling" cancer.
You may recall that Dr. Sircus has a regimen for treating cancer which includes magnesium chloride, iodine, selenium and alpha lipoic acid. After reading of Dr. Simoncini's work, he added baking soda to his regimen. But even Dr. Simoncini recognized the limitations of his own baking soda treatment. Here's a quote from Dr. Simoncini:
"The therapeutic treatment of bicarbonate salts [baking soda] can be administered orally, through aerosol, intravenously and through catheter for direct targeting of tumors...[but it] can achieve positive results only in some tumors, while others - such as the serious ones of the brain or the bones - remain unaffected by the treatment."
Dr. Mark's thinking led him to an interesting hypothesis. What if, he said, baking soda and maple syrup worked just like IPT (Insulin Potentiated Therapy)? Here are some quotes from his article:
"IPT treatment consists of giving doses of insulin to a fasting patient sufficient to lower blood sugar into the 50 mg/dl. Then they inject lower doses of toxic chemo drugs [when the cancer cell] receptors are more sensitive and take on medications more rapidly and in higher amounts.
The bicarbonate/maple syrup treatment works in reverse to IPT. Dr. Tullio Simoncini acknowledges that cancer cells gobble up sugar so when you encourage the intake of sugar it's like sending in a Trojan horse. The sugar is not going to encourage the growth of the cancer colonies because the baking soda is going to kill the cells before they have a chance to grow.
The treatment is a combination of pure, 100% maple syrup [bulk Grade B from the health food store] and baking soda and was first reported on the Cancer Tutor site. When mixed and heated together, the maple syrup and baking soda bind together. The maple syrup targets cancer cells (which consume 15 times more glucose than normal cells) and the baking soda, which is dragged into the cancer cell by the maple syrup, being very alkaline forces a rapid shift in pH killing the cell.
The actual formula is to mix one part baking soda with three parts (pure, 100%) maple syrup in a small saucepan. Stir briskly and heat the mixture for 5 minutes. Take one teaspoon daily is what is suggested by Cancer Tutor but one could probably do this several times a day."
In summary, Dr. Sircus says:
"The maple syrup apparently enables and increases penetration of bicarbonate into all compartments of the body, even those which are difficult or impossible to penetrate by other means. These compartments include the central nervous system (CNS), through the blood-brain barrier, joints, solid tumors, and perhaps even the eyes. IPT makes cell membranes more permeable, and increases uptake of drugs into cells. The maple syrup will make tissues more permeable, too. It will transport the bicarbonate across the blood-brain barrier and every other barrier in the body for sugar is universally needed by all cells in the body...Both IPT and bicarbonate/maple syrup treatments use the rabid growth mechanisms of cancer cells against them."
There you have it, folks. Can you imagine this mixture harming you? Two or three teaspoons a day? Would I try it? You bet. It meets all my criteria: simple, effective, inexpensive and available anywhere in the world.
Incidentally, Dr. Sircus has moved baking soda/maple syrup up to Number Three in his regimen -- right behind magnesium chloride and iodine.
Thanks, Dr. Sircus, for your magnificently open mind and flexibility in applying your knowledge to new ideas. Well, according to Jim Kelmun, it's no new idea -- just another suppressed cancer treatment that works.more: Lessons in Cancer and General pH Management
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Articles/Sircus/Sodium_Bicarbonate- Hulda Clark Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,364,806Being a fan of HC I have to add that she has tested this and says it breaks the cancer clusters same as IP6:
"IP6 attaches itself to polonium"
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1187023
Does this finding explain the cancer cluster?
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1187157
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I really like her too as long she sticks with her advice on cleanses, dietary and other health items. It is a different story though when we get into the nutty theory of mysterious flukes being the cause of all cancer and other disease.
And I have grave doubts about her "synchronometer" or whatever the gizmo is called.
But hey, Simoncini, Sircus and Doctor Jim are enough for one evening. I'll leave Hulda alone. Besides, I do like her cleanses . . .
Tony
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Yes I am familiar with Mark Sircus, the honorary Oriental Medical Doctor and licensed acupuncturist, and have been for some time. He's OK and has had some nice books, as well as a protocol that contains some things I like a lot like iodine (but it falls way short of being among the top protocols I like and is not even mentioned on the Cancertutor site as among the top 100, but then neither is maple syrup and baking soda). I like Bill Henderson quite a bit on the other hand.
The quotes above are quoting the same old information that Cancertutor has since rejected and it is clear that Sircus also bought into the all-cancer-is-a-fungus hype of fraudulent self-promoter Tullio Simoncini so I reject any information based on either of those sources. And I think "Doctor" Jim Pulman, the retired truck diver turned home remedy doctor, is pretty much a backwoods fruitcake who likes to make himself sound important with tall tales. He claims that out of over 200 patients he has treated with his maple syrup/baking soda combo who were diagnosed as terminally ill, 185 of them lived 15 years or more.
OK, so where are all these patients and the proofs of their diagnoses? Other than a few locals they are pretty much impossible to produce, a striking similarity to the lack of credible testimonials for Simoncini (well, he did have one that was never diagnosed with cancer and another that turned out to e his mistress). If maple syrup and baking soda are so successful, why do we not see success rates anywhere near those reported by others who have fallen for this backwoods hokem legend?
The people in my Yahoo group who have tried it have not reported any successes at all. Two members who traveled to Italy to see Simoncini came back unhelped and unimpressed. I doubt that the relatives of his patients who have died of extreme alkalinosis from his injections of baking soda are very impressed either.
Myself, I just don't buy hardly any of it.
Tony
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- Vit C & baking soda healing naturally
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This is a reply to # 1,364,465If you mix the right proportions of Vit. C and baking soda together, the baking soda is safe. That is becuase of the chemical reaction between the acid and the base. Carbon dioxide is produced and blown off and the sodium combines with the Vit. C creating sodium ascorbate, which is the neutral form of Vit. C. But, you be sure to mix well in a glass of water and let it stand a few minutes for the chemical reaction to occur. I recommend stirring it several times until there is no more reaction caused by the stirring.
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Nice avatar. Most mornings I have a full dropper of SSKI in a medium glass of orange juice. Other mornings I have the SSKI in a different juice, such as apple juice, blueberry or pomegranate.
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