There are a couple of things I disagree with Andy about but they may be specific to me and those with Lyme...


1. Cilantro works as long as it is used in conjunction with DMSA
I would go as far as saying it is the best Hg pollutant mobilizer out there,
works for Cadmium and Thallium, also mobilized Lead and Aluminum

2. I find Chlorella a must, no matter how much DMSA I take my own system still wants to detox and that means Hg makes it into the bile and is partially reabsorbed in the intestine. Perhaps the bio-film that accompanies Lyme makes this far worse than for an Autistic child...

What is the addy for this Yahoo group?

I used to run a tube furnace, making inorganic compounds for evaluation of their solid-state properties; mercurials often being employed, using no ventilation. Also, once, a careless worker let loose a flask containing about 10 pounds of Hg, which dispersed throughout that lab, where I worked for years. On top of that, I had about 8 Amalgams in my mouth, had plenty of vaccinations and was really into tuna and swordfish.

I had the classical signs and symptoms, including tremor, memory loss, emotional swings, etc. and could not focus my eyes on a single spot without repeatedly attempting to focus. I couldn't hit a squirrel at 50 yards using a .22 with open sights - couldn't focus on it. I needed to begin wearing reading glasses.

I used chlorella and cilantro. Once one is aware of their mechanism of action, one can then act accordingly. I fixed myself, using only 100% natural molecules. Tremor is gone, I don't need glasses any longer, no mood swings, and my memory is better than ever. I beat my kids at Husker-du every time. I shoot 100 yards, open sights and make 10-inch groups.


I considered the protocol I heard described in reference to Andy Cutler, but decided against using it for the following reasons:

1) "ALA" is comprised of an artificial substance, namely, the S-isomer of thioctic acid. In nature, only the R-form occurs. So, I pondered what benefit there could be to regularly adding substantially-continuous quantities of an artificial substance into my body, when my purported goal is to detoxify myself. Given that it is often the case that one stereoisomer of an enantiomeric pair is highly active, whilst its mirror image is of less activity or in some cases even poisonous (penicillamine), I decided I did not want to put anything in my body that was non-naturally occurring, as my premise is that the body is capable of cleaning itself up, if provided with what it needs to do so, and this does not include any molecules made by man.

2) I recalled that lipoic acid, when first isolated, required the livers of something like 500 pounds of liver, just to produce milligram quantities. This suggested that lipoic acid is normally present in only minute amounts, and something told me that it might not be a good idea to continuously ingest thousands or tens of thousands of times the amount of a substance (containing 50% wt. of its corresponding artificial enantiomer) that is naturally present. Lipoic's purpose is primarily for conjugation of organics in the liver, not heavy metals. Glu-peroxidase is the body's main material for getting rid of mercury, not Lipoic acid !

3) I noticed that when I tried the naturally-occurring R-isomer material, that my piss smelled reminiscent of asparagusic acid shortly after ingesting it. This suggested that my body did not want to hang on to the R-lipoic either. That's in line with a theory of using it to flush out whatever metals the two sulphur atoms might bind to during its short stay. But part of me was concerned for other trace minerals that my body's catalysts needed, including without limitation, Cu, Zn, Mn, Mo, etc. I posited that my body is not designed to ingest continuously large quantities of something that can grab metals from their catalytic sites, but it is designed to function with those metals in their necessary locations - and all of that is part of (actually, required for) the body's natural detoxification process. Disrupting Cu, Zn, etc. cannot be remedied as quickly as they are stripped, by merely popping a copper or zinc pill.

So I wouldn't say that chlorella and cilantro cannot be used without irreversible damage, but rather that they must be used with caution and only at the proper time within the context of a program dedicated to using the body's own mechanisms to rid itself of excesses of mercury and other metals.

You might want to reconsider "ALA", and use only the naturally-occurring isomer. Unless of course you have information concerning the metabolism and effects of the non-naturally occuring S-isomer, which is only produced in nature in reaction vats operated by men. If you're aware of any studies on the metabolism, fate, effects of the S-isomer, I'd appreciate learning of them as I enjoy entertaining thoughts of others.

Meanwhile, I can report that I am so much relieved, the best aspects being the recovery of my eyesight and memory. I was correct, of course, that God designed our bodies to repair themselves, and that the best detoxification mechanisms are within all of us already, all we need to do is exercise them.

I think that by introducing artificial chelators in super-high amounts, that we disrupt our metals profile of other trace elements, which themselves are needed to be in their normal places, in order for detoxificaiton of the undesirables to occur at optimal rates.

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts, and if you have anything ohn the S-isomer of lipoic acid, I'd love a reference to it. But in any event, I don't think I'll ever be swayed into believing that putting yet another artificial substance into the body (the S-isomer of lipoic acid) in quantity over time, is a good idea.

One must use skill, and not impatience, in driving nails into wood and in detoxifying the body. Those who rush into things, usually make poor decisions. Good things take time, as the old saying goes.

Have a great day.

@everyone

Nature did not design humans to come in contact with the kind of toxicity which industrial pollution and medical malpractice exposed some of us to. We are not tuna. We were meant to stay away from heavy metals, not to mine them and then put them, highly concentrated and "enhanced" with other toxins, right into people's mouths or inject them into our babies. There is noting "natural" about that. It's plain stupid if not downright criminal, but we didn't know any better. Now we do know.

People who are still under the illusion that some plant from the paradise will do a better job of chelating than actual (synthetic or not) chelators are playing the mercury/arsenic/cadmium/lead roulette with their on lives, and, what is far worse, creating a cult of Cilantro "chelation" which others may follow because it sounds so good.

I am the 1st 2admit that Cilantro is making me feel better, but so what. So is good old fashioned ice cream (but only since I chelated enough—and NOT with Cilantro, mind you—to be able to tolerate it at all). Feeling better doesn't prove anything. I felt better the day I got a root canal filled with Amalgam which sealed an aluminium pin in my jaw (that was the tipping point, the one thing which so totally pushed my health over the cliff). We, the actual victims of heavy metal poisoning, should know better shouldn't we. Feeling good does not prove anything at all.

In order to chelate safely, you need precise control of the amount of heavy metals you are releasing for possible redistribution in order to minimize its deadly effects. Cilantro doesn't give you that kind of control (assuming tht it even chelates at all).

Stop the Cilantro madness. Listen to Andrew H. Cutler, PhD PE. He may not be right about everything (he took me for somebody else when he read one of my posts), but there is no bigger authority in chelation in this gallaxy than him.

As far as I am concerned, Andrew Cutler's book is the holy Bible of safe chelation and he is the ultimate guru. Listen to him if you want to get well!