thanks pioneer. it's not all failure, much is better. I was totally overrun with parasites before, so sick I couldn't work, constant anxiety, daily panic attacks, nausea/hunger sometimes at the same time even, freezing cold, weakness, fatique. the worst was the debilitating sickness.

and all these things are gone now. except the coldness, but less frequent. I've been quite a bit better for at least a year. it's not all bad, definitely.

but I'm not parasite free.

barefoot's dewormer wasn't strong enough for me. seems to be good for others though. Liver Flushes were phenomenal! I don't have stones anymore, I stopped counting after 50 flushes, but yes, absolutely, one of the things that helped me the most.

herbals I did for a long time. I turned to making my own because I needed to find what was most effective and control the dosing (usually high..much more than I'd get in a commercial product, which I tried many).

the homemade ones helped, as did essential oils. actually diet/juicing made probably the biggest difference for me in just bringing back a general state of health.

I did the antiparsitics for over a year straight, I mean that, with very little breaks (days, depending on response I was having). I rotated mixes, 'lighter', 'heavier' and inbetween combinations. I was learning through it, trying to monitor response, when to push through, when to back off.

and it helped, slowly, but not to the extent I'd hoped. some herbs I could not tolerate for long periods. the sickness or panic was too high, or other systemic reaction like blood pressure problems, heart irregularity, widespread muscle weakness, difficulty breathing. and I learned from previous mistakes...not to push it if it feels over the edge. why? because I've had scattering before and it was from ignoring signs of when to pull back.

anyway, it can be not so simple as take something longer. I wish it was that. but I'm not done, there's more I can do to strengthen myself and move forward.

dr christopher talked of healing in stages of 7. I kinda think this is my second set of 7. hope so.

Thanks Pioneer for the help. I've very new to all this body flushing. My original goal was to clean out the colons for my wife and I since we're 50 and have probably absorbed a lot of toxins in our lifetimes. As I looked into cleansing I saw that I needed to do parasites first, so I'm starting there. Now I hear that I need to stay on the dewormer for months and months AND do many Liver Flushes before I can get to a simple colon cleans (which will probably not be so simple.). I will probably be better for it in the long run but I'm starting to get in way over my head on the amount of things I will have to do. I can also see that it could quickly become very expensive.

I'm still not off all meds. My goal is to get rid of them using some sort of herbal solution which I haven't discovered yet. The main issue is sleeping. I have a very hard time sleeping. I can be up at 1-2 AM and not feel sleepy. I'll lie in bed cat napping until I get up at 6-7 AM. This happens day after day. I am exhausted during the day but I still am not sleepy at night. After 3-4 days of this I start back on the sleeping pills (Ambien) so I can get some rest at night. I've been taking Ambien every night for the last few years. I would love to get off if it but I also need to get some sleep. I'm willing to try something else but it has to make me sleep or else my body will get run down. The other med I take sometimes is Tylenol when I get a bad headache. If I don't stop my headaches when they're small, they grow very quickly and I end up with a migraine/cluster headache and go to the ER looking to gets a strong painkiller. Untill I can get these two problems taken care of, I need to be taking those products.

I'm hoping there's something in the natural area of herbal medicines that could take the place of Ambien and Tylenol. I'll look into that after I do my bug kills, my liver flushes, and the bowel flushing. I've noticed that I should do many of these programs with juicing fruits and vegetables. So, I've got to find a good juicer and learn how to do that as well. It all seems so overwhelming for someone who just wanted to start by doing one simple process. You can see why I'm discouraged.

I'll look at Doc Sutter's protocol and see what I can learn from there. Thanks.