Which vitamin C 
alive76
16 y
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Hello,
I'm still waiting for my Miracle-Mineral-Supplement to arrive.
I suffer from quite heavy heart palpitations many times daily (absolutely convinced am dying every time it occurs).
Reading through this forum, I've learned that it is recommended to take high dosages of vitamin C for two weeks or so leading up to starting Miracle-Mineral-Supplement if you have any heart conditions.
I also read that you should not ingest ascorbic acid, as this will neutralise the effects of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ...
My understanding is that most(all?) vitamin C is made by/of ascorbic acid.
So, is there a special kind of vitamin C that any of you can recommend?
I hear there is natural C and synthetic C. I'm guessing the natural one is the best, but I also heard that taking 6000mg (dosage recommended by JH) of natural vitamin C will be like 60 tablets a day! Not to mention to cost of it.
Also, one last thing:
Can anyone point me to an online shop in the UK that sells good vitamin C? (all I can find all sort of mixed blends etc - no pure vit. C)
Thanks in advance.- Re: Which vitamin C UserX
16 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,148,871Hello alive76,
I recommend sodium ascorbate which is ascorbic acid mixed with sodium bicarbonate (i believe a ratio of 2:1 but dont quote me) As you mentioned taking large amounts of ascorbic acid is acidic to the body and the sodium bicarbonate is meant to counteract this.
As to it interfering with the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , just take it away from the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Depending on who you believe this will be 2,4 or 12 hours away. 2 or 4 tend to get quoted the most.
As for UK prices i really recommend you order from the US. I live in the UK as well and the prices of all supplements inc vit c are very high no matter where you buy from (as im sure you know). I order from iherb.com ad the prices are generally 1/4 of what UK prices are. With shipping and customs tax is still works out a lot cheaper.
I generally order a few items at once from iherb to tmake it worthwile.
THe sodium ascorate i am using now is this one
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=785&at=0
my first iherb order came to £140 and another £34 for customs tax = £174
i worked out if id bought the same items from nutricentre.com (the cheapest uk prices ive found) it wouldve come to over £500!
p.s. read this for sodium ascorbate info
http://owen.curezone.com/nutrition/benefitsofc.html
p.p.s. synthetic vs natural. someone else can get into that, i agree natural is better (and i try to get my vitamins and minerals from green food powders) but i do not understand how you could do that with high doses of vit c as the amounts needed would so high (and expensive)
- Re: Which vitamin C alive76
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,148,878Hi Insight,
Thanks so much for quick reply, info & links.
I quickly google'd for Sodium and found that sodium might not be the best choice for me. Here's one:
http://www.fda.gov/opacom/lowlit/hlyheart.html
The whole reason why I'm about to ingest large amounts of C is to avoid more heart problems. Looks like sodium might make it worse? :)
About ordering from the US:
The reason I asked for a UK shop is not because I live in the UK.
I live in Denmark. Here vitamins and supplements in general cost 3-4x more than what they do in the UK. I always try to order from a UK shop. Saves me a lot.
Why not order from the States?
Depending on what type of product is shipped from the US to here, we get to pay a nice custom tax + VAT, ranging from - a total of 200-400%. Oh, and they calculate the VAT *after* adding the customs taxes. That way we get to pay 25% VAT on the taxes, too. And, obviously, you get to pay customs + VAT on the shipping costs, as well. :)
In addition to having the highest overall taxes on the planet, we also have a very oppressive version of what Americans call the FDA.
This is the biggest problem. I have long ago given up ordering anything intened for human consumtpion out of the US.
Often, even the most simple mineral supplement will be held at ransom at customs here, until YOU provide valid proof that it is not dangerous (which you can't, as THEY will decide what is valid proof or not). Needless to say, nearly nothing comes through.
For more than a year, when ordering from the US, I order it shipped to a friend in England who then re-packages it and ships it on to me.
This way I can 1.) get it - and 2.) save somewhat on taxes. (practising for Codex, anyone?)
Oh, I should point out(for folks living in Oz/USA) that the reason why it can get here from England - and not from the US:
Within the European Union, there is no customs check, nor any sales tax added when trading between two EU countries. (this is about the only positive thing I have to say on the topic of the EU)
/rant off
I think I will risk ordering vitamin C from the US, though.
I don't think they will seize pure vitamin C. But paying heavy taxes on it, I won't get around.- Re: Which vitamin C UserX
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,148,902wow, thats some story.
i did not realise the situation in denmark, i thought it would be quite leniant, as i thought were the rest of the scandinavian countries.
i hope to leave the uk one day and was looking to possibly move to one of scandinavian countries, i guess i can cross denmark off the list then, lol.
if your prices are 3 or 4 times that of the uk, well im stunned. i thought our prices were high. unless of course your wages are a lot higher than ours as well.
as for sodium and your heart. yes, you had better be careful, or at least do more research first. i dont know much about that subject apart from what ive heard from mainstream medicine.
i think if youre only going to take low doses of vit c then normal vit c or ascorbic acid is fine.
hopefully you can just order the vit c from the US and you will get it ok and the price saving will work out even after the hefty tax and vat.
p.s. if you need a UK store for vitamins
http://www.nutricentre.com
is quite good. i used to order from them before i started to order from the US. you can get £5 for every £35 you spend and they have a wide variety of supplements and manufacturers. I checked and they do ship internationally and to denmark- Re: Which vitamin C alive76
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,148,924Yes, we do have higher wages. (last week I read Copenhagen has the highest avr. wages in the world).
BUT when you consider taxes, cars that cost 3-4x as much as in the UK (due to taxes), 2nd highest food prices in Europe (after Norway) etc etc, at the end of the day, I don't think Danes have more buying power than the average Brit or German.
About moving to Scandinavia, I wouldn't put your hopes too high for the other countries either. Norway, Denmark and Sweden have an eerie habit of 'harmonising' their laws and rules. The reason the Codex-like laws have started in Denmark earlier than in the other two countries is, most likely, because one of our biggest industries here is that of pharmaceuticals (lobbying, you know). Sweden is more about steel and foresting, whereas Norway is big on oil. But probably won't be long before they have the same laws in place there, sadly.
It is really very disheartening that we in Denmark are nearing a point where we have to deal with nutritional supplements the way one deals with heroin and cocaine. :(
Codex Alimentarius seems not long off here, really.
If you want to come to Scandinavia, I highly recommend Norway. An absolutely, stunningly beautiful country. Cleain air, breathtaking nature, nice people. (but high taxes, too :p)
Thanks for the link to the UK shop.
Looks good. *bookmarked*
:)
- Re: Which vitamin C r4000
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,148,941Here are a few hints to work your way around to a degree
1-ALLIMAX-made in UK very cheap in Europe as compared to US/Canada-we pay around 5 times more for a box of 30 caps of 180 mg
Do a Google search for the cheapest prices for Allimax in UK..
1 caps of 180 mgs=40 organic garlic heads
Yes,it does work ;this is why I am using it- for -it is good for high blood pressure,heart,colds,flu etc..effects of one caps at 180mg can last up to 12 hrs..
Hint #1-never buy GARLIC that comes from CHINA as it is grown on human refuse,waste water from sewers are dried up and used as fertilizers,etc..
Also it is bleached to have it conserve its whiteness,fumigated with insecticides and finally irradiated so it can withstand the long trip to the US,Europe by boat..etc..Organic garlic from China comes from the same place-they only change the lables..
Hint #2 Also due to recent WTO rules products from China and elsewhere are NO LONGER CHECKED,this is true in Canada,US..the onus relies on the producer,in this case in China to have it check up by corrupted officials etc..
Hint #3- all Chines herbal products including gingseng ,teas,etc..are contaminated,suspicious so much now that many Chinese herbalists have emigrated to Canada/US and started their own label company with strict organic standards .
These Chinese herbs are planted and harvested in Canada/US and then re-exported to China;many Chinese over here no longer buy any herbal products form China as well..
Hint #4-in fact in many Chinese supermarket/herbal shops you will now see more and more products from Vietnam,Japan,Taiwan,Thailand ,etc....Chinese foodstuff grown in USA/Canada,..
Hint #5-stay away from pure Himalayan salt or Bolivian salt from the Andes-these are scams-(promoted by a Swiss "biologist etc..all bogus')in fact these salts contain F in 100ppm + more are used on..roads in the in those countries.Bolivia-a good portion of the population is suffering from Fluoride poisoning
Manufacturers of Salt are NOT OBLIGED to give the concentration of F-fluoride on their package--salt,other minerals etc..
Hint #6-get a water distiller especially if your water is Fluoridated-note that most Spring water that people drink do contain fluoride..
Hint #7- never use cookwares(pots,pans) that are made in Al-aluminum
Hint #8- obvious-just using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and not doing any of the preceedings Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will have a mitigated effect-this is what the negators fail to understand-rely on accounts of people using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and then continuing eating junk food ,taking their toxic medications,etc..and complain that MMS is not working !
The Keltic salt- the grey(good one?) with all the minerals is in fact banned from human consumption in Portugal as it is unfit for human consumption.
The Keltic white salt-they do not produce enough so they import it from..Portugal,re-label it and sell it double the pr4ice of the Portuguese salt-which is called Fleur de Sel -it is cheap,good,etc.and you will find it cheaper if you go to an hispanic/portugese grocery
2-Go to
http://www.scdworld.net
they have all kinds of products-probiotics for humans,etc,gardens..and distributors in Europe as well..
3-Vitamin C sold as ascorbic crystal is derived 90% of Genetically-Modified-Organisms corn;only the Ester- TM on the bottles is from beets but expensive
Better to get it from concentrated herbs or juices that contain vitamin C but as a rule these juices are expensive and most contain water,etc..the labeling can be very misleading..these companies have lawyers that tell them what they legally can write on the labels in order to pass it as juices..
Look up the various Green Blends,those that do NOT HAVE any SOY-Lecithin fillers in their mixtures...
http://www.thebestfoodever.com
notice their MAGNESIUM.(magnesium chloride HEXAHYDRATE)Do a Google search for that term..
Mg (magnesium chloride)sold by Global Light etc..its source is suspicious- many Mg oil,gels come in fact from the Great Salt Lake in Utah which has very high Hg-mercury concentration within this salt..
Mg coming from the ocean and filtered cost $30 + more for a bottle of 8oz but how is it absorbed by the body ?(I have used such Mg oil and results were mitigated and messy to use)
For herbs from the Amazonian forest go to(I order from them)
http://www.rain-tree.com
look up CAMU-CAMU,ACAI etc that do contain a whole lot of vitamin C.
They sell in caps,extracts and in bulk(powder, etc..)the powder form the cheapest and last a long time;the extracts are powerful..
4-You might want to check up this website
http://www.chiark.greeend.org.uk/~vclarke/citric.html
in regards to citric acid intolerance
I suffer from it( citric acid intolerance) to a degree-this is why with the MMS protocol I will be using as activator Limes or lemons..- Doomed - Re: Which vitamin C jfh
16 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,149,107Yep. We're doomed. We (the U.S.) are becoming a 3rd world country. We are just beginning to depend upon China for so much, including our economy. I even read a report how there is some mercury in pharmaceuticals made in China. The FDA says that some manufacturers, not necessarily Chinese, have admited to a trace of mercury in decongestant nasal spray.
http://www.fda.gov/cder/fdama/mercury300.htm
- Re: Which vitamin C alive76
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,149,107Wow, that's a lot of info there, r4000. Thanks for that.
I did not know about the bad stuff coming out of China. But somehow this doesn't surprise me...
About the 'Himalaya' salt. I was one of those who bought into this scam, I'm embarrassed to say. Only later, I found out that there are no salt mines in any parts of the Himalays at all. And that this salt was coming from some filthy, polluted plain in Pakistan... hehe. What a bummer. And yes, gotta stay away from this stuff, due to the high flouride % (and possibly other toxins). Best thing is just to stick to Sea Salt for now, I guess.
I think I'll look into the Acai stuff. I've heard about this before, too.
I'm still very confused as to what vitamin C to order - and from where. :(
Maybe I'll just settle for the cheapest kind I can get, as I'll need 6000g daily, which, to me, seems like a lot!
- Doomed - Re: Which vitamin C jfh
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- Re: Which vitamin C UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,148,941Thankyou for the scandinavia info and the Norway tip. I think i would like to do a tour of the countries one day.
codex, pah. pure evil, so sad it is already happening to you guys. we all know the world is becoming a worse place.
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This is a reply to # 1,148,871Hi Alive76,
I am confused with your statement that Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid or some other form) should not be taken with MSM because of a neutralising effect. I googled MSM and Vitamin C and there are a multitude of articles saying how beneficial MSM is taken with Vitamin C regardless of the type. These positive articles of combining MSM with Vit C came from so many different sources that I am confused.- Re: Which vitamin C jfh
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,149,144Not MSM Coffee-cup. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Vitamin C will nullify the effects of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement when taken too close to the dose. Same is true of other oxidative therapies, like iodine. Iodine and vitamin C should not be taken close together either.
- Re: Which vitamin C Coffee-Cup
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This is a reply to # 1,149,179Thanks jfh,
That one sure slipped by me. My eyes are still tired after many hours of preparing for my 2007 taxes; so I figured that I would go to the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement forum to cheer me up. I try to keep abreast of possible interactions of vitamin and herbal products because I am on several protocols. Again-thanks for the correction.- Re: Which vitamin C jfh
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,149,188That is still really good information to remember though coffee-cup. MSM has very many health benefits. It is sulfer and closely related to DMSO. Your information indicates that vitamin C and MSM have a very good and important relationship.
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- Magnesium Ascorbate linenup
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This is a reply to # 1,148,871I think ascorbates offer the best. Ascorbates can be magnesium, calcium or sodium. I would think that the magnesium ascorbate would be more beneficial. I would suggest that the palpatation issue could be caused by magnesium deficiency (potassium) EmergenC offers a nice vitamin C that has mineral ascorbates in it along w/ some b vits
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This is a reply to # 1,149,321I would suggest looking at Exatest or traceelements.dot for assessment of magnesium and other minerals.
- Re: Magnesium Ascorbate jfh
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This is a reply to # 1,149,321I agree with you lineup. If I had any heart problems, I would take extra magnesium. My choice would be magnesium citrate. Magnesium is know to calm the muscles including the heart. I think hawthorn berries are good for the heart muscle as well.
- Re: Magnesium Ascorbate alive76
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,149,501Thanks, guys.
But, actually, I am already taking fairly large quantities of magnesium.
Doesn't seem to affect the palpitations.
The reson why I want to stock up on vit. C is that JH suggested that you take 6000mg C daily two weeks before starting on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . (something to do with plaque and arteries - didn't understand it fully)- Re: Magnesium Ascorbate linenup
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This is a reply to # 1,149,625which magnesium are you using for instance mag oxide would be a poor choice as it has limited bioavailability. some better choices would be mag chloride, ultra mag from source naturals, or LEF's magnesium blend.
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Potassium level?- Re: Magnesium Ascorbate alive76
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,149,647I'm sorry. I cannot answer your questions. I have no idea what kind of magnesium it it. I didn't even know there were several kinds of it.... hehe
It doesn't have a label on it either. :(
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This is a reply to # 1,149,882If it doesn't have a label stating what kind of magnesium it is, it's probably magnesium oxide, the least absorbable form of magnesium
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