I quit! 
#76749
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Over a period of about six weeks I built up to 15 drops, twice a day, and have received zero benefits. I don't really consider a reduction in plaque in my teeth a benefit, because I've done the same thing with oil pulling. After three days at my max with nothing to show for it - side effects or anything else, I figure why put poison into my body just because others are receiving "benefits?"
Here's some possible reasons:
I've consumed raw garlic for several years and raw garlic eliminates parasites. Not just those in the gut, but in the blood stream too. I always smile to myself when I see posts on curezone and elsewhere for brutal protocols for parasite cleanses when I know that garlic is just as good as anything concocted by anyone else, and you don't have to bow down to a guru to ingest it. Besides, it's too cheap and too easy and the Internet pimps don't get any laurels from it. Besides the parasite benefits garlic also removes heavy metals from the body. The link is no longer available but several years ago I had a link to an independent scientific (as in scientists) U. K. study which verified this. Garlic also kills prostate cancer in the Petri dish and after a recent PSA reading of 2.6 I ingested large amounts of raw garlic and four weeks later the PSA was down to 1.3.
I've practiced Urine Therapy for over three years with significantly beneficial results - posted elsewhere on curezone. Again there are no gurus or Internet pimps receiving benefits and the cost is even cheaper than garlic.
About two years ago I added the regular ingestion of apple cider vinegar to my diet to assist in my blood sugar readings, but ACV has other benefits as well. I still require no medication of any kind for diabetes and my last A1C reading is in the normal range and I've been diagnosed diabetic Type II for two years.
My diet of the last two years has also been highly modified from its prior structure and I have virtually eliminated grains. All of them. (Yes, I cheat once in a while, but not very often.) It was the advent of agriculture 10,000 years ago that brought on many of the conditions we have today. The Egyptians ate the American Heart Association diet and from examining their mummies we have discovered they had the same plugged arteries then that we do today. They ate whole grains and had no refined sugars. But they would have been welcomed with open arms by any cardiologist of today.
Stress is an unknown factor but I do believe that it is a major contributor to today's ills in our industrialized societies. While some of the underlying factors of a high carbohydrate diet and "toxins" around us may be of significance to disease, it is stress that pulls the triggers. (By the way, 3,000 and 4,000 year old mummies found in the Gobi were found to have shortened lives from inhaling the smoke from fires, and sand in their lungs. The 3,600 year old Ice Man was found to have high levels of arsenic in his system. "Toxins" are nothing new.) I have practiced daily meditations for several years and consider this to be my number one armor against stress. Oh yes, I do experience stress, but nothing like I used to and when I experience it, I have mechanisms to let it go.
Yeah, I'm going to die, or at least let go of this body, but it doesn't worry me in the least. What I am most concerned about is my quality of life while I have this one, and MMS isn't assisting me on that level one iota.
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- Re: I quit! mentalpete
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,182I agree with a lot of what you say.
The problem here is that most people are looking for a single solution to all problems. We are all different, our DNAs evolved over billions of years differently, and there is no reason to assume that something that will work for you will work for me. That's why places like this and earthclinic are great, because we can have a clue here, and then there, and start our own healing process/discovery.
I once watched a show about a guy with horrible diabetes, hearth problems, skin problems, you name it. The guy was close to death. And then one day one doctor told him to go on the Atkins diet. Can you imagine? That was against we are all told about what healthy is, specially with all his conditions. Long story short: with time the diet cured him of everything. All his lab numbers went o normal after consuming huge amounts of heart clogging pig fat, something he avoided for decades. Who would have thought?
MMS is not a panacea (even though I have never taken it). Neither is ACV, or VCO, or the Master Cleanse, aids cocktails, or a vegan diet, urine therapy, acupuncture, or whatever. It's about finding what is right for *you*. Our perfect bodies will tell us exactly what works and what doesn't. So pay attention to it! I'm sure you agree.
Did you know that Eskimos eat nothing but animal flesh? Maybe the guy in the example above was an Eskimo descendant :)
I liked your post! Cheers!
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- Re: I quit! Electric Mind
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,301Sorry folks...I can't resist this one. ;)
The longest lived people in the world are Okanowan women...who, among other things, consume a great deal of greasy pork and lard. The shortest lived people in the world are vegetarians in India.
I have seen MANY cases of heart disease and diabetes clear up on Atkins-like diets (though I am not specifically a fan of Atkins). To quote William Castelli--architect of the Framingham Heart Study: "In Framingham Massachusettes, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people's serum cholesterol. We found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the least and were the most physically active".
It's no paradox.
Read a great article: "The Oiling Of America" on the Weston A. Price web site at
http://www.WestonAPrice.org.
- Re: I quit! sanctuary2
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This is a reply to # 1,105,315Let me open this one with a disclaimer. I know nothing about Science (although a lot about Science fiction ;) and I don't know all that much about technical info about diet either. All I know is from experience.
My ex-in-laws are British. They eat nothing but fat, lard and meat. They have the most appalling diet I have ever seen and these guys live forever. My ex-husbands grandmother died at 100, his aunty died at 99.9. His parents are in their late 80's and still going very strong. The whole family has a life expectancy of around 100 years old.
My family are all almost dead. All my grandparents are dead. My mother died at 69. All my aunts and uncles died before 75. The only relative I have left is my dad who a raging alcoholic. My mother was very health conscious. Ate mostly vegetables, low fat, took vitamins, exercised regularly, looked after her spiritual side as well as physical side, and died WAY TOO EARLY!!!!!
My point is, we are all different. Who knows what will work for us as individuals. It's all just trial and error and doing what we feel is best for us.
- absolutely! #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,105,315Protein is soooo important and with everyone always pushing the alkaline or die crap those in need of protein really suffer. Like Sanctuary says, "everyone is different."
I need protein with every meal and not just a handful of nuts. Sometimes the alternative proponents go too far.
- Re: I quit! mentalpete
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,315Living long or short is no measure for quality of life. Your scale is flawed. Period.
Find what works for you and you only. I would much rather live 40 years feeling great, than 80 feeling like crap.
Maybe not eating carcases makes my everyday experience a lot better. Maybe eating plant gives no freaking energy whatsoever. Who is to say?
Yes, it is a paradox.
- Re: I quit! #46511
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This is a reply to # 1,105,315You're talking my language.
I think cholesterol lowering drugs are the biggest scam of the century. That stuff makes patients out of healthy people IMHO.
- Re: I quit! sanctuary2
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- Re: I quit! #76749
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This is a reply to # 1,105,301
"I once watched a show about a guy with horrible diabetes, hearth problems, skin problems, you name it. The guy was close to death. And then one day one doctor told him to go on the Atkins diet. Can you imagine? That was against we are all told about what healthy is, specially with all his conditions. Long story short: with time the diet cured him of everything. All his lab numbers went o normal after consuming huge amounts of heart clogging pig fat, something he avoided for decades. Who would have thought?...."
The clinic that I visit for my diabetes puts all their patients on an even higher protein diet than Atkins. It's 15 carbohydrates per meal for a total of 45 per day. Atkins induction is 50 per day. (My clinic is internationally recognized and has been researching diabetes since 1923.) There is no restriction on fat. In the two years I've been on that diet my blood sugar has stabilized, my lipid profile has improved dramatically, and I have lost weight and feel much better than before with fewer mood swings. My clinic doesn't give a damn about your heritage or DNA, they treat everyone the same. We were designed much more for an Atkins diet than people realize. (Brain size didn't start increasing until we started eating a lot of animal fat.) It has been the introduction of agriculture and high carbohydrate diets that have caused more health problems than anything else.
Even martinis - which are very low carbohydrate, don't adversely affect my BS levels. For me a bowl of oatmeal is worse than a half gallon of ice cream (I'm not exaggerating in the least bit - I've tested after both). Yes we are each different but there are some treatments that can apply to everyone.
If you think that Atkins is restrictive, go check out the Bernstein Diabetes Solution, written by a Type I who promotes 4 carbohydrates per meal, and many diabetics thrive on it.
- Re: I quit! Electric Mind
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,360Excellent post. Very accurate.
Yes--Bernstein's book is excellent.
:)
~EM - Re: I quit! mentalpete
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,360I don't think anything about Atkins (or any other diet). I was just telling a story. This wasn't supposed to go against any Diet Debate .
- Re: I quit! Electric Mind
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- Re: I quit! Electric Mind
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- Re: I quit! alberta
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,182Well, duh-h-h-h-h.....As Jim Humble clearly states in his book, the less healthy a person is, the more nausea, etc. they will experience. If your body is healthy from all the past remedies, you are NOT GOING to have any 'side effects.' You may, however, be protecting yourself from future problems if you stay on a maintenance dose.
I am not responding to your post for your sake, but for the sake of others out there who may significantly improve their health with mms. Many have not tried it yet and I want to assure them that mms is not a poison (research has proven this as provided on many previous post threads).
So........I want to encourage all who are interested in mms as an alternative measure to continue their quest and read all the posts on curezone that reflect all the good mms is doing for many, many people.
If you, 76749, choose not to take the mms, more power to you, but please do not use this forum to call mms a 'poison' and please do not try to discourage others who may truly need the benefits of mms from pursuing it.
With all due respect.......and thank you.- Re: I quit! #76749
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This is a reply to # 1,105,330
This is a forum to post one's experiences with MMS. I posted mine and if you don't like my results, you are entitled to your own opinion. MMS is a poison. If you were unaware of that then you learned something. If not, then you should in no way be offended.
- Re: I quit! Hellth
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,365"This is a forum to post one's experiences with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I posted mine and if you don't like my results, you are entitled to your own opinion. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is a poison. If you were unaware of that then you learned something. If not, then you should in no way be offended."
WRONG. This is a SUPPORT forum, not a DEBATE forum.
MMS is NOT a poison, when used as directed.
I'll ask AGAIN. Why did you take Miracle-Mineral-Supplement if nothing was wrong?
And I'll ALSO ASK AGAIN, did you check your BP and insulin levels?
Most people get a BP reduction, and my wife has seen good circulation improvement.
(I think I smell a rat.)
- Re: I quit! #76749
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,370
"WRONG. This is a SUPPORT forum, not a DEBATE forum.
MMS is NOT a poison, when used as directed.
I'll ask AGAIN. Why did you take MMS if nothing was wrong?
And I'll ALSO ASK AGAIN, did you check your BP and insulin levels?
Most people get a BP reduction, and my wife has seen good circulation improvement.
(I think I smell a rat.)"You're the one who is debating.
If you look at my history of posts on this forum, I have related my MMS experiences. That's exactly what I did when I made my initial post on this thread.
Initially - around Christmas time, got severe (worst in years) head cold and fever. Required antibiotics because MMS not only started it, but made it worse. (You will also find around that time that many posters were relating very similar experiences while starting MMS. That's not a debate, that's reality and if that can't be posted on this forum then there shouldn't be one.)
Then, after clearing up the sinus problems with antibiotics and a Neti pot, got bad diarrhea with about 6 drops twice a day. So, I quit for a couple of days and then resumed with no effects whatsoever, eventually working up to 15 drops twice a day on Monday. Without seeing any results of any kind from this max effort, it's no use to continue because, whether you like it or not, MMS is a poison and I have no further interest in ingesting poison.
You've now asked twice about BP and insulin levels, and I responded to that. Why are you asking again?
My BP has not come down. If you think that's a lie then come on over and you can check it for yourself. Good for your wife, but I have not seen either circulation improvement nor a reduction in BP. I have claudication (restricted circulation which results in leg cramps) and in the six weeks I used MMS there was no improvement in the claudication cramps whatsoever.
You obviously know very little about diabetes because nobody checks their insulin levels. Diabetics have glucose monitors which check blood glucose levels. I have a monitor (as do all diabetics) and there has been no improvement in my blood glucose levels.
I'm also a long-term cancer survivor - without medical intervention. One of the attractions to me for MMS was that it "cures" cancer, and I'm always on the lookout for anything that attacks cancer. There is nothing I have that can measure for cancer, other than a PSA, and my PSA levels were low before beginning MMS.
If you have difficulty with my experiences with MMS, then don't read them.
I will have MMS on standby in case of any recurrence of cancer, but until then it is of no value to me.
- Re: I quit! #11821
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- Re: I quit! alberta
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This is a reply to # 1,105,538Thank YOU, 11821, I second the motion. I do believe this IS the silliest thread in all curezone. Talk about beating a dead horse to death.....over and over and over.
Enough already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Re: I quit! alberta
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- Re: I quit! #11821
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- Re: I quit! #76749
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- Re: I quit! Electric Mind
16 y
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This is a reply to # 1,105,365Obviously, this is something for the debate forum. Nonetheless, it bears comment.
I can certainly appreciate your frustration at the lack of positive result from your Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol. It happens. Jim Humble would probably say "if you're not getting any result then you're not taking enough!" Well, it is also reasonable to say that no one thing works for absolutely everybody. Such is life.
MMS is an oxidizer which (in small doses, as recommended by people like Jim Humble) represents literally no danger to healthy tissue or metabolic functioning. It is a "poison" in these small, recommended doses only to pathogenic/parasitic organisms (which are characteristically anaerobic and acidic by nature). No one says (or should say) that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is a "cure-all". Different people are going to respond differently to it depending on what they have going on (infection-wise), their inherent toxic load, the condition of their eliminative functions, etc.
It is abundantly clear from the scientific literature--and from the track record of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement users--even those that push the envelope with the stuff---that "dangerous toxicity" is of no real concern for anyone. Herxheimer's reactions---oh yes. A call to Poison Control---not hardly. There are essentially no contraindications...only certain basic precautions.
Sounds like Arthritis and blood pressure are the main issues for you---neither of which is typically primarily pathogenically driven. Pathogenic organisms can have a burdensome effect that limits the effectiveness of the immune system, etc., so sometimes ridding ones-self of a chronic viral infection, say, can help improve things like systemic inflammation which, in turn--wa-la-- improves your arthritic symptoms.
I won't belabor this, but just want to wish you well and encourage you to choose your language more carefully....based on fact and not emotional bias.
No offense taken, by the way. :)
~EM
- Re: I quit! Hellth
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- Re: I quit! #76749
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- Great! So why'd you start? Hellth
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This is a reply to # 1,105,182
Simple question: If there's nothing wrong with you, what did you expect Miracle-Mineral-Supplement to fix?
Should probably point out that high blood pressure has no outward symptoms and you might want to check your blood pressure and insulin levels before you say "nothing changed."
- Re: Great! So why'd you start? #76749
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This is a reply to # 1,105,344
"Simple question: If there's nothing wrong with you, what did you expect MMS to fix?"
Pretty simple. I have arthritis in my hands that restricts movement. MMS has done nothing to alleviate that in any way - yet there are others who claim that it has helped. I also have blood pressure in the high range of normal and it has done nothing to help that. Both of these things are supposed to be helped with MMS.
"Should probably point out that high blood pressure has no outward symptoms and you might want to check your blood pressure and insulin levels before you say "nothing changed.""I monitor my blood pressure on a daily basis with my own monitor, and my blood glucose on occasion after meals. Neither have improved. Why would I ever say they hadn't improved if I hadn't checked them?
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- Re: ... alberta
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This is a reply to # 1,105,789............and double yawn.
Maybe some other thread will prove to be more educational and interesting instead of argumentative!!!
- Re: ... alberta
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- Re: Great! So why'd you start? boondoc
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This is a reply to # 1,105,371You Mentioned that you check your blood glucose.
"my blood glucose on occasion after meals."
The proper way to check your blood glucose is a fasting level, and then if it is abnormal then maybe at certian intervals after taking a proper glucose load.
By checking "blood glucose on occasion after meals" tells nothing and would have large swings.
Jim MD - Re: Great! So why'd you start? indianajones
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This is a reply to # 1,105,371You probably already know this but removing Sugar and grains completely from the diet put an end to my joint pains. And I know this because when I cheat and eat sugars and grains the joint pains start again.
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- Re: Great! So why'd you start? #76749
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- I may too #46511
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This is a reply to # 1,105,182I've only been on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement for a month or so but I've had some serious reactions that were not fun. This last episode laid me on my back for at least one day with major fatigue, palpitations, etc. I thought I could handle 1 drop 3x daily, but got D again and lost minerals again.
I'm beginning UT and I think it might make a better therapy for me, at least for now. I just don't know if I want to risk going through that torture again. Maybe I'm so toxic that it's like trying to empty the ocean with a thimble.
I may very well quit grains too. The SCDiet is a very good idea.
- Re: I quit! mentalpete
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