I have a problem with some claims of stone size...

Hi,

I have read several post here about people passing LARGE stones. When I say large, I mean 20-30mm. Here is my problem. I have done the flush myself and have passed stones so I know you get something from the flush. The ducts of the gull and liver are not very big, maybe in the range of 10-15 mm max. The liver ducts are even smaller. People have claimed that they have had stones the size of golf balls. It is impossible to pass stones this size through the ducts of the gull and liver.

This leads me to suspect that these stones may be formed in the small intestine. People claim that this is not the case as the bile green color means they came for the gull or liver. Hardly the case, as these two organs excrete bile into the small intestine and could pick up the green color there.

I therefore have a hunch that many or all stones could be the result of a process taking place in the small intestine and not coming from the gull and liver.

Many doctors suspect that the stone generated in this way are soap stones created in the intestines by the large amounts of fat in the oils. This may be the case, at least for the large ones, as a golf ball could never pass through the gull and liver ducts at this size.

So, are these stones really just formed by some combination of factors in the intestines? If we really look into the length of the liver and gull passages, even 1000 small stones that are on average 8 mm in diameter be 8000 mm. This is roughly 26 feet that the stones would occupy in these passages. I have a hunch that you do not have 26 feet of these passages between your liver and gull combined. I do not know how many feet of liver and gull ducts the average person has (inculding all passages inside the liver), but if I find out I will post it here. I doubt its more than 10 feet or so.

Now if you look at the rate that the liver makes these stones vs the freguency of the liver flush, it may be reasonable to say that you could pass 100 or more at a time depending on the length of the liver and gull passages (which I have yet to determine).

But, this then leads me to wonder if it is normal for the liver to create these stones on a regular basis. How many of you have actually disected your normal stools to see if there are stones present? I have not and it is not crazy to say that you may just pass a certain number of stones with each normal bowel movement. You just never see them because they are hidden in the rest of the fecal material. So maybe we excrete these stones on a daily basis, and the Liver Flush just procedure produces a larger volume of stones and makes them very easy to see as the rest of the Liver Flush bowel is mostly liquid.

So, has anyone ever considered that the production of these stones in the liver is normal and that it is also normal to get some in the gullbladder and that they are excreated in smaller numbers in our normal bowel movements?

I'm going to disect my normal stools to verify if any of these stones are hidden in them. We must also consider that these stones may be "digested" when the bowels contain other normal food materials, bacteria, and enzymes that the "oil and juice" stools do not contain. It is very likely that this may occur. In this case the disection of even normal stools would show no stones.

So are these flushes really necessary in the first place? I understand that people doing them have really been relieved of some complaints. I'm not denying the effects of this flush, I just have questions about it.

Any one have feedback?

Thanks,

MP





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