Hi Frank, thanks for the yahoo link. I may join up. I wrote to Ron about the specs and he implied that stronger magnets make less ORMUS, interesting, his literature suggested also that the water structure is hexagonal as well. Nice guy, he wrote me twice. I had already ordered the slightly heavier magnets but he suggested getting twice as many 1/4 x 1/4" and doubling them up. I might change my order. I'm a bit confused because he is marketing a 'more powerful' (than the one up top) unit on his own, modified blender. I wonder what makes it 'more powerful'. But I can understand that stronger is not necessarily better.