Apparently the paragone alone wasn't killing and eliminating the worms..I was having more diarrhea at the time and saw nothing.. Just undigested food particles so there was no need to really break anything up...I never saw anyworms until I started this new combination of herbs eventhough it has the same thing as paragone. I think the CQ10 is knocking them dead along with the garlic pills..The worms seem to be clumped together...Sorry to sound so graphic..I now keep a hanger next to the stool everytime I go to use it...I get excited to fish through to see what I find...They look like small earthworms ..