Re: Metabolic Typing and Mental Health

This is a letter that was inserted into a recent edition of Jini Patel Thompson's book, "The IBD Remission Diet" (it is by the author):

"On Page 108 of the IBD remission diet, I suggest that readers may want to try a product called Primal Defense after they've been completely healed for 3-5 months. I learned of this product from numerous readers who wrote in to let me know how well it's worked for them. Since I couldn't try the product myself (I've been pregnant or breastfeeding for four years and counting,) I questioned numerous respected naturopaths, microbiology professors and gastroenterologists for their opinion on the product and all said it looked fine.

However, since meeting the founder and president of Natren Inc. (top quality pro-biotic manufacturer,) Natasha Trenev, I must change my opinion of bacterial soil organisms. Natasha is a world renowned expert on microorganisms and maintains one of the largest research libraries on that topic in the world. She has sent me an entire CD ROM of articles, research and clinical data and other scientific studies, (most done outside of North America,) outlining why it is not safe to consume bacterial soil organisms (like those contained in Primal Defense and numerous other products.)

To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore formers, so they make make good competitors for yeast, fungus and other pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms will initially experience very favorable results. However these spores are are extremely difficult to kill, surviving sterilants, disinfectants, acceleration forces, heat, pressure, radiation and many Antibiotics . Strong Antibiotics -- like Vancomycin -- can suppress certain spores. Spores are so persistent in the intestines that another round of germination may occur after the the drug is stopped. Soil organisms can also adapt loose genetic material and incorporate it into their cellular structure - the ramifications of which are yet unknown. Various soil organisms can also produce harmful peptides, affecting hemoglobin in the blood. It's important to keep in mind that virtually all Antibiotic drugs were were initially developed from soil organisms and as Antibiotics become more potent, they cause more damage to the host, not just in the immediate gut environment, but systematically as well.

In the EU (European Union) the use of soil organisms in animal feed is being stringently controlled and questioned at this time. There are simply too many questions and unknowns to sanction the use of soil organisms for human consumption and one can certainly cannot qualify them as safe at this time.

I'm very sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. To be honest, this is the very first time I've recommended a product that I've not tried and tested exclusively myself -- I admit I was swayed by so many good recommendations from readers. Rest assured that I will not do so again!

My sincerest apologies,
Jini Patel Thompson
July 2003"


I contacted the author about her letter since I was taking Primal Defense at the time. This was her response:

"Primal Defense does tend to work well for people initially - as I said in my letter, bacterial soil organisms are aggressive competitors in the gut and so clear out existing pathogens like yeast, fungus, etc. However, the primary concern is with the long-term implications of populating the gut with such hardy spore-formers and the fact that to date there is no known way to eliminate them. I've heard from readers now who've taken the product for varying lengths of time (some up to a
year and then experienced severe flares and/or tender masses in the lower right quadrant of their colon (for some reason). Anyway, here's some research on some bacterial soil organism species and you can read up and then do what you feel is best for you.
ps. if the links don't work from this email, you may need to copy and paste them to your browser.
all the best,
Jini

Bacterial Soil Organisms:

Web links for further research information

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March 19, 2004"


I did experience the "tenderness" that she described in her response, but I found that it went away a little while after I stopped taking P.D. I thought some of the stuff mentioned in the references was a little scary though, and it was enough
to make me stop taking the product.
Sorry if all this is somewhat off topic from Metabolic Typing.

 

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