Your right ! It almost seems pathetic though, these floundering fundies who just dont get it turn to whining and insult! I actually think this format is worthless it may be a place to get to speak out but thats as far as it goes, there is no real debate! There could be a real good debate amongst athiest and thier different points of view! I know athiest most of all are free thinkers and deeper then any sheeple so I think there in lies a worth while debate ! however you can only get into it so far when an CFer drops a turd in the middle of it! And there in lies another delemna because I do want to debate with them it is humorous to a certain point then it just degrades to the same low place eveytime! They cant win or prove anything here, so all they have left is insults and beligerance! Oh well!