I dont think i need to prove to you that i have them. I have done multiple Liver Flushes and my natropath has so much business and does free clinics that she does not need too keep seeing me. She cured my lyme and sent me on.my way for 8 mos. Cured my pleurisy and didnt need to see me again. She is the only one who gets my situation altho she is baffled as to why i still have them. I love the zapper. Mine is broken and im waiting for replacement paddles. It definitely keeps the numbers down but these are big double bodied worms 2" or so and they can smell the herbs and frankly are immune to them. I just dumped some Clarkia on them and they just swam into my pancreas. You have no idea what my experience is.