So what is your response other than name calling. We can go back to the original Greek and deduce the proper translation of this passage. So this is not about Calvinism/Arminianism, or Continualism/Cessationism. This is about men and women purposely changing the scripture to meet their own goals. Ed outside of the Pentecostal debates the question remains how much will it take for you to fully denounce these people? It has been demonstrated over the past few weeks that they have commissioned people who have become adulterers at best, and absolute dirtbags in a general sense if you factor in abandoning your wife and children. Only to be placed right back into the ministry in direct violation of Scripture. This is just one example of the things that have been brought forward in regards to these men of so called super spirituality and discernment. Now the perversion of the very texts themselves is revealed. So is this enough. Or are these people still the highly esteemed people of God to you? What will it take Ed?