I know worms come out between 1-3am so thats when i do my enemas. the coffee doesnt even keep me up, i go right to sleep lol. but borax? i never tried it but im open to it if it pulls out ropeworms. them ropeworms just keep coming like there infinite. i heard eucalyptus pulls out ropes but it also hurts the flora? ima investigate that one and the borax too. i already have the 20 mule borax under my sink so ill check it out.