As far as you and I, it is true we see things differently. I think it comes down simply to this. Is it all God working through us, or do we ourselves have a part in this. I would say it is all God. I would not say another person is not a Christian because they do not share this view. Like you said, I do not want to go round and round on this either. In closing you and I are fine. I am good for agreeing to disagree.