Where is the proof that the Hepatitis C (HCV) virus really exists? (same goes for HIV, the aids retrovirus)

Hv,

Are you familiar with the works of some scientists who attest that HCV and HIV do NOT exist?

For  the hep C, first read these 3 small articles by Nicholas Regush:

http://www.healtoronto.com/reghepc1.htm

http://www.healtoronto.com/reghepc2.html

www.healtoronto.com/reghepc3.html

Then this by Dr. Stefan Lanka:

An answer by  r.Stefan Lanka (the virologist that affirms that HIV never was) to a question about Hepatitis C (published on Continuum magazine vol.4 no.1).

<< Hepatitis-C virus was never a reality or even an artefact, only an invention. After the riddle around Hepatitis-B virus (HBV) - still "not vailable for experiments" - was set so the general public had the impression the Hep-B antibody test really detects antibodies formed in reaction to infection with HBV (and the vaccination programme against it wa sestablished), innovative scientists filled the gap in explaining hepatitis without antibodies against hepatitis-A virus (HAV) and HBV as "a viral non-A non-B Hepatitis". As in the case of the illnesses grouped under the artificial diagnosis "AIDS", it didn't occur to them to mention other well known reasons for Hepatitis, e.g. alcool and bad diets. It was then just a matter of years until some US scientists with corporate backing came up with an antibody test, using only synthetic proteins produced on the basis of some genetic sequences which were defined, in an ad hoc act, as being part of the genetic sequence of "Hepatitis-C virus" (HCV). These tests simply use some synthetic, non viral proteins, that were never even said to be taken from a virus! So, like all such tests, the HCV test can have no diagnostic value whatsoever. Everybody who claims otherwise is acting irresponsably, and in the case of medical doctors, have no real ethical values: the result of a positive HCV test frightens people, who are then in danger of treatment with problematic medications in high concentrations (interferons) and their bodies may be damaged by psychosomatic reactions. Just ignore the result, and avoid contact with any medical staff who believe in HCV and if possible start legal action against them. This may be healing not only for you but for others too. So, look out for a young responsible scientist to help you. The older ones have failed badly by challenging nothing>>

For HIV and also HCV:

"The main proponents of this view are Australian researcher Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and her colleagues, who argue that HIV has never been isolated according to the Pasteur Institute criteria of 1973, and therefore it's probably what's called an "endogenous retrovirus" -- a creation of the body's own genetic material that looks and functions partly like a virus, but is not an infection because it comes from the body's own cells.

Stefan Lanka, Ph.D. takes the challenge to HIV's existence even further. A German researcher, Dr. Lanka is usually referred to as a virologist. But that hardly begins to describe his wide-ranging fields of study. Based on experiences in marine biology, biochemistry, evolutionary biology and virology, he's worked out a whole new view of HIV and AIDS. He believes that all so-called retroviruses are actually the body's own creations; that hepatitis is an autoimmune disorder (a disease in which the body is attacked by components of its own immune system) rather than a viral disease; that AIDS has nothing to do with immune suppression; and that it should really be called Acquired Energy Deficiency Syndrome -- AEDS -- because its true cause is a breakdown in the delivery of oxygen to the blood and/or body tissues. Dr. Lanka did a West Coast tour in October and spoke to H.E.A.L.- San Diego on October 20. Zenger's interviewed him hours before that event. Here is the link to the interview (Stefan Lanka is really a great scientist, please read the interview Hv, I think you will enjoy it - many different findings)

www.oikos.org/aids/intlanka.htm

also:

controinfoaids.org/Update%2004-06/Interview%20to%20Stefan%20Lanka.htm

Of course, there are many other references to their claims. The Perth Group ( formed in 1981 in Perth, Western Australia. The three original members are the leader, biophysicist Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, emergency physician Valendar F Turner and Professor of Pathology John Papadimitriou. Over the years several other scientists have contributed to or joined the Group. These are physicists Bruce Hedland-Thomas, David Causer and Barry Page, Florida USA biochemist Todd Miller and Colombian physician/medical researcher Helman Alfonso)  put up this reference rich site (for mainly HIV):

www.theperthgroup.com/

What are your views on this Hv? Actually it is true that there is no published, peer-reviewed scientific evidence that such a virus actually exists— namely that it has been properly isolated, according to accepted, fundamental principles of virology. As for the HIV there is a scientific paper by Dr. Peter Duesberg trying to prove the Perth Group wrong here:

www.duesberg.com/papers/continu1.html

But it left room for a rebuttal from Dr. Lanka:

www.virusmyth.com/aids/index/slanka.htm

and so it goes on and on.....