Re: You do not need to analyze "stones"

only calcified stones will sink. just as only calcified masses stones will show up on ultrasound.

we have covered this many times. calcium stones are not the only type of stones. nor or calcified stones the only type of 'real' stones.

there is in fact no such thing as 'real' stones.

there are many different types of stones produced by the body, and only some of them are calcified.

the most common type of stones reported by people who do flushes are coagulated bile stones. they have the consistency of hardened wax and they float.

people have also passed calcified stones from doing liver flushes.

real soap btw, does not melt.

you can leave a bar of soap in hot sun and it will not melt.

bile stones, however, will in fact melt when subjected to heat. this is why heat packs are often recommended as a pre-flush prep, to help soften the stones.

bile stones will float.

people who have proper bile flow, whether healthy to begin with or having restored it through flushes or any other means report that their stool floats.

this is due to the fact that bile will float.

the so-called saponification has not been proven. the best evidence provided was that Epsom Salts can produce small amounts of hydroxide. however, this is nowhere near enough to create large amounts of stones that people expel.

this does not explain how people who don't take any Epsom Salt will pass stones from liver flushing. the Epsom Salts are not always necessary in a successful. they are just insurance that the biliary tree will remain relaxed, but for some people they can just ingest oil and lemon juice, or oil and coca cola and they will get good results.

you made an attempt to explain that bile alone could be responsible for saponification by saying that it can reach a ph of 9. a ph of 9 is not even remotely alkaline enough to saponify olive oil. the lye sap of olive oil is 12-14. even at a ph of 9, on the low order, this is 1000 times too weak, and on the high order it is 100,000 times too weak. conversely bile can also swing the other direction and lean toward the acid end.

no evidence has been shown that alkaline enzymes from the small intestine are able to saponify oil.

the dye experiment was a failure because there was no dye trapped in the stones. before being exposed to heat the dye was not present in the stones.

melting the stones in heat will of course cause the dye present on the OUTSIDE of the stone to seep in after it melts.

you can't have it both ways. first there was the claim that the stones were green because SOME olive oils are green. in point of fact many oils are yellow, and they put it in green tinted bottles to make it look more appetizing. when that theory was disproved then the argument was shifted to bile pigment causing the color.

many people who do flushes, as has been posted numerous times on curezone, have barely any bile flow or their flow is completely occluded and they are jaundiced.

in the case of jaundiced people who pass green stones, (and who subsequently cure their jaundice -- no small feat mind you) the argument that bile causes the green color falls apart.

there is no absolute consensus on lab results so far because some reports have yielded that the stones were as you say and some reports have yielded that the composition was consistent with bile stones as i say. we can both claim bias, but at this point there is no agreement. not surprisingly the reports that you cite all support only your thesis. a simple reading of some posts will show that is not the complete story.

as if this wasn't enough, some of the stones people reported were red, orange, and some even black. i personally passed a few black stones, and it was after this that i had the most dramatic increase in health.

if a person wanted to conclusively prove to themselves the validity of the stones, they could do a few stool tests prior to flushing and check for the presence of bile acids. unfortunately these types of people have serious problems to deal with and doing Science experiments when they are in grave health is not practical. in most cases of chronic severe illness bile flow will be severely occluded, and the presence of bile acids in stool will be very low or non-existent. when green stones appear after flushing the proof is in the toilet.

perhaps not the general population, but many people who are into alternative health or just health in general do in fact check their stool. in non-western systems of medicine, some dating back 2000-5000 years the stool consistency is of paramount importance. the suggestion that people have been expelling stones for thousands of years without being aware of it is off base. many many people are deeply in touch with their own physiology and they know when they are passing something unusual.












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