+ healing and BF&C :) Re: First time tincturer

Greetings soda & albie (and everyone) --

I have pasted your questions below (and one that may not be from either of you), and I am answering them together since you're both dealing with similar issues and have similar questions.

First (before you, or anybody else wanting to learn about how to restore/regrow & heal their body using BF&C)) reads any further, read (or reread) this post:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1449554#i

...and please be sure to read ALL the information in ALL the links in that post.  This one was not there before:  (but I've edited/added it now): http://www.herballegacy.com/Incurables.html

(this is an outline of Dr. Christopher's Incurables Program - remember: we have to do MUCH more to achieve the same results as he did 40-60 years ago, as we are MUCH more compromised and our environment is exponentially more toxic).

Onward -

--I consider 50-100 herbal capsules or 40 droppersful of tincture 4x daily to be quite unnecessarily  heavy doses.   ***I doubt that either of your problem is a lack of BF&C.

10 droppersful of tincture (using a 4oz tincture bottle dropper) is about 2.25 teaspoons (equaling approximately 9 teaspoons daily = 3 tablespoons)...which is on the high side of tincture doses.   4 times that amount would be 12 tablespoons daily (approximately 6 oz) that much alcohol is toxic (I suggest everyone taking more than a few teaspoons of tincture daily to douse each dose with boiling water to evaporate the alcohol).

100 "00" capsules is approximately 65,000 milligrams (65 grams = 2+ ounces).

According to our measurements, 1/2 ounce of dried, cut BF&C herb blend is 1/2 cup.  From one of the links in the first post (which I'm sure you already know by heart, eh?)...to make the tea: Soak this herb combination in distilled water (at the rate of one ounce of combined herbs to a pint of distilled water), four to six hours, then simmer for thirty minutes, strain and reduce the liquid down to its volume by simmering over low heat...[simmer down to 1/2 volume - so if you start with a pint, simmer the tea down to one cup; if you start with a gallon, simmer down to 2 quarts]...Severe cases: Drink cup of finished concentrated tea with 3/4 cup of distilled water three times a day.

Using Dr. Christopher's instructions, to get three cups of tea daily, you would have to start with 3 oz of the herbal blend and 3 pints of water.  Here we have Dr. Christopher suggesting dosages for a hernia:

For hernias we recommend keeping the bowels clear and open through the use of the lower bowel formula, plenty of fresh juices, a light, mucusless diet to eliminate the strain of bowel movements, and the application of the Bone, Flesh, and Cartilage Formula to the hernia area as a fomentation.  All stress and strain on the area must be removed while the area is healing.  The fomentation should be applied in the evening so that it can remain on the area all night.  During the daytime, the BF&C ointment can be used if the fomentation is inconvenient.  BF&C capsules or tea may also be taken daily: either two or three capsules three times daily or three cups of the tea.  Continue treatment six days a week fasting with distilled water on the seventh until the hernia is healed.  ....and he's recommending only NINE capsules daily maximum) or 3 cups of the tea.  ('have to wonder what he would have though of someone suggesting 100 capsules...wow).  So even though he suggests using 1 ounce of herbs per pint of water to make a cup of tea (and 3 cups of tea daily for severe cases...which would mean using 3 ounces of herbs for the tea), he suggests only 5.8 grams when using capsules (28.3 grams in an ounce).

I realize all this might be very confusing: a tincture made with 100 proof alcohol is basically a very (very!) strong decoction, using 50% water and 50% pure alcohol to extract the herbal constituents.  A tea is a decoction using only simmering water to extract the herbal constituents.  And since alcohol extracts (for most herbs) far more than water, that is why we need so much less of the tincture. 

There is no way I can think of to compare dosages and come up with equivalent dosages of capsules, teas & tinctures.

Quite honestly, I'm confused myself about the low capsule dose.  (Also, as far as I can tell, Dr. Christopher did NOT use capsules until later in his life; that was likely after he was stopped from practicing and could only teach and sell herbs.  In his book "The School of Natural Healing", one rarely sees "capsule dosages", but we do see non-encapsulized "powdered herb" dosages...and almost always he listed the common dosages for infusions, extractions, tinctures & decoctions.  Remember, encapsulizing herbs is a very time consuming process, and it's highly unlikely he ever had 20-30 hours a weeks to sit at a table stuffing herbs into capsules.  Nowadays we have have gizmos & machines that do this more quickly).   Remember: the powdered herbs have lost a bit of their "uumph" due to the high heat in the grinding process; one is getting a LOT of useless fiber (the body has to work hard to extract the healing constituents from the fiber of the herbs)...and with most of us having a substantial lack of assimilation, I'd think a larger amount of capsules would be necessary.  This is why Dr. Schulze neveranything except his IF#1.  Personally, I'd stick with the  'simmered down tea' or the tincture.  Albie, if you're going to "up your dose" past 40 droppersful daily, be sure to use the boiling water to evaporate the alcohol, and be VERY "tuned in" to your doctor within and listening/watching for signals that your body is getting too much. encapsulated

***I doubt that either of your problem is a lack of BF&C!  I think there's likely many more issues that need to be addressed.

--Firstly, your expectations...are they realistic?  Both of you have suffered damage to your nose, and through whatever means, it seems (from what I can recall you posting/reporting) that your body has healed the damage enough for you both to be able to breath adequately.  Assuming this is correct, then the issue is mostly "appearance" (???).  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't be concerned with your appearance...but I am saying that 'appearance' is at the very bottom of your body's priority list.  And it's your body that's doing the healing.

--Speaking of "priorities", herein lies (likely) the root of it all.  Our bodies first priority is to keep our blood at a stable 7.35 pH every day (and of course, keep our blood/oxygenated and circulating).  If the pH alters by even 1/2 a percentage a point, we can die; 1 full percentage point, and death is virtually assured.  In order to do this, all organs (particularly the liver, kidneys, and lungs) must be functioning adequately.  Then our body must have the fuel it needs to function properly while it is diligently running on overdrive just to detoxify the bloodstream from all the poisons and toxic chemicals we ingest & breathe daily.  These things take TOP priority.  In order to sustain life, all organisms no matter what their size, must be able to assimilate nutrition and expel waste efficiently & effectively.  The body is NOT assimilating nutrition or expelling waste adequately if we're not having 3-5 normal bowel movements daily (this is primarily a combination of the liver and intestinal tract/colon).  The body is not detoxifying itself adequately to prevent disease and malfunction unless all the organs of detoxification are functioning 'up to par' (lungs, liver, kidneys, colon primarily)...and of course, without the essential blood flow necessary, no organs are getting the oxygen they need to function adequately.  Bottom line, the body has MANY very serious priorities to deal with daily...and that's just to keep it in the state of health it's currently in.  But we're asking the body to expend immense amounts of extra energy to heal something (that the body very likely no longer has a chance to get to on it's priority list).  So, if you want to speed and ensure healing then it's necessary to ENSURE that all organs of elimination and assimilation are functioning properly, and the body has (not only enough fuel to keep it going at it's normal rate), but EXTRA fuel and more energy to devote to something OTHER than it's typical daily priorities.  60-65% of our bodies daily energy requirements are used up by the process of digestion & assimilation.  'Want your body to use that energy to heal you...then juice fast as often as possible...and 4-6 Tablespoons daily of some type of Superfood is imperative.   Make SURE that the liver is clean and functioning at it's optimal.  Andreas Moritz says most folks will end up expelling over 2000 liver stones in an adequate series of liver flushes.  One or two flushes ain't gonna get it (frustratingly for all of us).  Most adults' kidneys (by the time they're 40-45 years old), are said to be working at only 50-75% of capacity/capability...that mean that at 20 years old, we have some level of lack of kidney function.  Circulation & oxygenation of the blood: when I was in school (the 1970's) we learned the level of oxygen in the atmosphere was 30-35%.  Now?  The most recent data shows the level of oxygen in the country to be around 18% and in the cities around 12%.  Our bodies are deprived of HALF the amount of oxygen they need?!  (omg!)  And that doesn't EVEN begin to address the the vast amounts of chemical damage we've already incurred that slows & compromises everything. 

Our bodies ARE capable of healing and restoring themselves naturally, but we can't expect them to handle the immense amount of daily poisons, lack of oxygen, extreme lack of nutrition/fuel...and not only stop us from developing symptoms and keep everything up-to-date on the priority list AND get to the backlog of things we'd LIKE it to heal by just giving it some herbs.  Albie (I don't know about soda), I realize you've done (if I'm remembering correctly), some good juice fasting and cleansing (for about a month), and that's when you were getting some results.  And sticking on the Mucusless Diet is great (and I really do applaud and appreciate your effort & diligence)...but it's not ALL that Dr. Christopher had his patients doing that achieved such great results (see the last paragraph).  I wish (I wish, I wish, oh HOW I wish), that it were as easy as "just the herbs", but it's not.  Our body is like a chain, and it's only as strong as it's weakest link (and it HAS to stick to it's priority list).  If we want to see the kind of healing that we see reported by Schulze & Christopher's patients, then we have do AT LEAST as much as they did...and many times we have to do more.

--Tincturing - yes, the BF&C tea from us is perfect for tincturing...it's the exact herbs in the correct ratio.  Just put it in a jar and add 100 proof alcohol.  See this for more complete information on how to tincture:   http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1404295#i

--Here's the formula for Dr. Christopher's Herbal Calcium & BF&C; the numbers are "parts" not weight.  Any measurement you want can be one part: one tablespoon; one 1/2 cup; 1 cup

Herbal Calcium

6 parts Horsetail grass

4 parts Comfrey root

3 part Oat straw

1 part Lobelia

BF&C

6 parts Comfrey root

6 parts Oak bark

3 parts Gravel root

3 parts Mullein

1 part Lobelia

2 parts Wormwood

3 parts Marshmallow root

1 part Skullcap

3 parts Walnut bark

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http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1523331#i
I hope someone could straighten out a matter that's confusing me about capsules and tinctures. I know tinctures get the herbs into the bloodstream quicker but i've just read somewhere on curezone that if you need a lot of healing (e.g a badly healed or smashed up bone) then capsules are easier to take in large doses.  Sure, it may be easier (because of taste) to take capsules rather than tinctures, but what does taste have to do with it?  When I'm healing MY body, I'm most concerned about how much is assimilated, not how it tastes.  The reason we chose to make tinctures instead of capsules is that we wanted to ensure the best possibility for healing for ourselves and others...and our research clearly showed that tinctures are the best way to go.  Yes, there are some that believe that the powdered 'whole herb' ensures that all the constituents of the herbs are available, but I don't base my recommendations on 'science', I base them upon what has been shown and proven to work (via the evidence we have two healers that successfully and consistently cured virutally every disease condition known to mankind).   I'm actually looking to dissolve and rebuild a very poorly reset bone break and skin damage and am wanting to take (amongst other things) dr christopher's bf&c remedy. The suggestion was 50-100 capsules a day but what would this be when translated into tincture dropperfuls per day?  The suggestion you've received on capsule dosage conflicts substantially from Dr. Christopher's own recommendations.  I'm always one for 'ramping things up' to adjust for our more compromised body & toxic environment, but I honestly don't know if 50-100 capsules compared to 9 is 'ramping it up' logically, or 'selling capsules'.

The writer also said initial surgery can prevent any future healing so you're stuck with what you've got- my personal feeling/logic is that surely the body, if given the right tools, will heal anything regardless of what part of the body is damaged or how the trauma was treated initially-does anyone have any thoughts on/experience of this.  Yes, I have thoughts on this.  Personally, I don't care for "healers" to suggest or implant the idea that the body cannot heal itself :::sigh:::.  Yet, once there is scarring and bones have repaired themselves, it is more difficult for the body to undo what it has already healed...and if the damage has been healed to the point that the body is satisfied (and all parts are indeed working adequately), then one is going to have to give the body a LOT of assistance.  In the case of scarring, the scar will likely have to be abraded and skin regrown.  In the case of bones healing "crooked" (or in a way that is unsatisfactory in appearance, but satisfactory to the body) - then one needs a LOT more than BF&C and other herbs.   It is said that when a bone is broken and it heals, it will never break again in the same place (that's how well our body heals itself).   So one would need to do a LOT of work on the entire body AND the nose to do this (particular to the nose area: hot/cold compresses for circulation, castor oil packs alternated with BF&C fomentations nightly, manual manipulation, removing all hardened mineral build-ups from the body (this can be done with a combination of Dr. Christopher's Heavy Mineral protocol and Dr. Schulzes Kidney Stone/Bad Calcium protocol...both would likely need to be repeated several times).   Without pictures and a complete history, there's no way I can know if 'the whole shebang' will undo a bone that's healed in a way that your body feels is adequate...and even with images/history, there's no way I can know if you will ever be completely satisfied (as far as "appearance").  I think you can improve things substantially...but again, not knowing exactly what you're dealing with and wanting to achieve, there's no way for me to make suggestions or offer you any type of "guarantee".

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 http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1522816#i

I am still faithfully taking the bf&c and herbal calcium tinctures i order from Unyquity but would love now to make my own. My problem is knowing where to start. I have read many posts on here about tincturing methods but am still unsure about several things so i hope you don't mind enlightening me please.
First, for the bf&c can i use the tea mix and just add alcohol or should i tincture each herb separately and if so what quantities of the separate, single herb tinctures do i mix together to ultimately make the bf@c tincture?  Answered above :)  (There's no need to tincture everything separately)
Secondly, I think i can only get hold of dried herbs would this be much less effective?  It's very rare for folks to use fresh herbs in their tinctures; virtually all of our tinctures are made with dried herbs
Also does anyone know the ratios of herbs needed to make the herbal calcium tincture? Above :)
Finally i have a significant bit of damage to bone and cartilage and think i need to up my doses considerably but can taking high doses be dangerous e.g would more than 40 dropperful x4 a day be safe?  Personally, I wouldn't take that much...and since you saw some good results initially with a lesser dose, I'd say the reason you're not continuing to see results is very much likely that you've stopped doing things that you were doing initially.

P.s whilst here i'd just like to personally thank Uny for all her support and wisdom  You're more than welcome.  I appreciate your understanding while I'm so busy/overwhelmed getting caught up and organized.  This entire 'forum thing' has totally overwhelmed every aspect of our life.

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from this thread: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1513725

hi Barefoot

thanks for your reply

I have to admit I am now quite worried and unsure and hope you wouldn't mind clarifying a few things for me please. Indeed are you saying that because i had surgery the damage done to the cartilage and bone will never be reversed even with good nutrition and herbal regime? I know it is generally believed cartilage is near impossible to regrow and that the bones of the nose remodel themselves slightly differently to other bones (e.g a broken arm or leg) but why is the nose so different from any other body part? I am now thinking is it worth the time and expense of continuing? Do you know of anyone who has had a similar problem and failed?

I'm sorry if i sound defeatist but i had always thought given the right help nature could help the body heal anything-Am i being too optimistic?  You are not sounding "defeatist", and yes the body can heal anything (that needs to be healed).

thanks again for your advice

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http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1523264

(I have no idea if the poster in this thread is soda or albie, but since the question/answer is very relevant/similar I am adding it here - uppercase is the response from Barefoot; boldface is me).

hello
HAY

i am wanting to place an order with you for bf&c but am unsure about capsule doses.

OK

I currently take the tincture at a rate of 10 droppersful x4 a day (from a 4oz bottle) but would like to switch to capsules.
WISE DECESION, MANY TIMES YOU CAN'T TAKE ENOUGH OF THE HERBS WHEN THEY ARE IN TINCTURE FORM BECAUSE OF THE ALCOHOL TASTE, OLIVE LEAF AND THE BF&C FORMULA ARE 2 SUCH HERBS THAT I RARELY EVER USED IN TINCTURE.  Again, what does "taste" have to do with anything? :::eyeroll:::

Could you please tell me what the equivalent dose of 00 capsules would be and how much would be too much (i have a poorly healed frature to sort out!) Do you mean UNhealed, or do you mean it healed in a way that doesn't please you (that is harmful to your health) or it healed in a way that doesn't please you because you don't like the way it looks?
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A POOR HEALED FRACTURE
WHEN A FRACTURE DOES NOT HEAL PROPERLY, PARASITES LIVE IN IT AND 15-20 YEARS LATER IT IS NOT RARE TO HAVE BONE CANCER START IN THE CRACK, BECAUSE THE HEALING PROCESS WAS NEVER COMPLETED AND NEW CELLS ENDED UP GOING CANCEROUS, SO I HAVE READ.....SO GETTING THE BONES HEALED IS A GOOD THING.

FORGET THE DOSE OF TINCTURE YOU WERE TAKING, IT IS IRRELAVANT SINCE YOUR GOING TO CAPSULES. KNOWING WHAT WAS FRACTURED SURE WOULD HAVE HELPED, SO GENERAL IS ALL I CAN SUGGEST AND FOR GENERAL FRACTURE, I WOULD TAKE 8 CAPSULES DAILY FOR 9 MONTHS + OR UNTIL YOUR SATISFIED.

IF YOUR IN PAIN FROM THAT FRACTURE, THEN THE DOSE BECOMES AS MANY AS IT TAKES TO BE PAIN FREE; THIS COULD BE BETWEEN 20-50 CAPSULES PER DAY.  Hmmm, I didn't know BF&C was for "pain relief" (???)  Pain caused by a fracture would be from it still needing to be healed...so the dose is substantially higher for healing a fracture "with pain" than "without pain"?  I've never heard of such a thing. 

IF YOU WERE "SMASHED" UP WITH SERIOUS BONE BREAKAGE, THEN THE STANDARD DOSE IN 100 CAPSULES DAILY.

TO HEAL A BAD FRACTURE, FASTING WITH FRUIT JUICE WILL HELP ALLOT.  Juice fasting I agree with 100%...but NOT juice fasting with only fruit!  Our bodies need (and crave) the deep green chlorophyll from leafy green veggies, and carrot juice is essential for healing bones.

WHEN THE BONES HAVE BEEN BROKEN, YOU ALWAYS NEED TO SEE A CHIROPRACTOR MINIMUM ONCE PER MONTH.....ALWAYS.....HE OFTEN CAN DETECT DAMAGE FROM BROKEN BONES FROM 50 YEARS PREVIUOS FROM CHILDHOOD THAT NEVER HEALED "CORRECTLY"..

I SUGGEST BONES HEAL TO A POINT VERY RAPIDLY WITHIN 60 DAYS; THEN ALL THE BUILDING MATERIAL THAT WAS USED TO MAKE THE REPAIRS, NEEDS TO DISSOLVE SLOWLY AWAY, SO THE BONE IS NORMAL AND HAS NORMAL BLOOD FLOW; THIS PROCESS CAN TAKE 7 YEARS.....THIS IS ALL PROVIDING A PERSON HAS NO OPERATIONS, NO DRUG USE SUCH AS PAIN KILLER DRUGS.

ONE THING FEW TO NONE SPEAK OF:
SYPHILIS

ALL HUMANS HAVE IT, ALLOT OF IT. IF YOU HAVE 1 DEAD TOOTH, YOUR LOADED WITH IT AND SYPHLIS EATS YOUR BONES UP AND THEY LOVE A FRACTURED BONE, IT BECOMES A HOTEL FOR THEM TO HAVE SEX IN 24/7 AND SPILL OUT TRILLIONS OF BABIES.. We all have SYPHILIS?  That's pretty "out there" to this ole gal.  Personally, I'd have a very difficult time taking advice from someone that claimed something like this, but it's NOT my job to tell you who to take advice from or whether or not to apply it.   SO CLEAN UP ALL DENTAL WORK AND TAKE HERBS KNOWN TO KILL THE SYPHILIS WORMS....THE 2 FORMULAS I MAKE FOR THIS ARE ADULT PARASITE TINCTURE, ADULT PARASITE SYRUP/TINCTURE AND ADULT LONGEVITY SPICES.  Yes, bad teeth (particularly root canals & amalgam fillings) affect the entire body adversely.

MH

thank you very much

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From Dr. Christopher:

>>>>Another girl of fourteen had been born with polio, with one leg shriveled and four inches shorter than the other.  She wore a built-up cork sole on her shoe, but she was still crippled.

The family read about Dr. Christopher's Incurables Program, and they began to follow it, step by step, for this girl.  They [also] used the Bone Flesh and Cartilage fomentations over that leg, continuing faithfully.  By the time the girl was out of her teens, the leg was four inches longer than when she was fourteen years old.  It was no longer shriveled; it filled out so it looked like the other leg.  She was now dancing, and by the time she was in her early twenties, she not only ran her own dance school, but was demonstrating dance over the United States, travelling as a professional.  The polio was gone.  By going to the cause of the disease and working from there, we can cure even incurable diseases.<<<<

Healthiest of blessings -

 

Unyquity