Re: last words on this whole thing re: locking *small edit added

I was referring to the most recent postings of Celsius going off the deep end. (at the time I posted here) it was a call for some much-needed reserve. It just seemed that locking might be sensible, shutting down all the posts, until ML either returned, or opened his new forum. There seemed to be no possible value in the most recent spewings. They only make the entire forum look post-psychiatric, imv, as well as seriously undermine ML's protocol. (which imv is the far greater shame than the fact that ML has taken a breather.)



This "mob" idea is one I just don't subscribe to. (I've always been sort of a loner, maybe that's the reason, but the citing of mobs visibly aims to draw people back into a low-frequency wallowing, as far as I've seen. And some enjoy the show.) The accusation always weakly aims to do a big disservice to the innate divine aspect of anyone, as well, which, when you think of it, is very "moblike" in mechanistic terms: divide and conquer is the underbelly of that.

Divine being I know IS the truer aspect, regardless of what any ego insists to be "true". Regardless of any appearances; any of what might be called "bad behaviour" even. But---That's not to say that bad behaviour should just be rewarded, or allowed to -like the dish, run away with the spoon, and the whole crate of BSM. (blackstrap molasses) Hence, my comment. Meant as a form of maintaining some slight forum integrity. Just as ML's time-out was a form of maintaining forum (and Divine nature's) integrity. If anyone demands to see it otherwise, that is their choice, but ego is its own reward.

pretty small pittance, if you ask me.


I *have* interacted in the forum, off and on over the course of its existence.And I have even told ML I respect him--and I do: at least the better part of him. More in the early days, and then from a few months back. (I learned a lot, not always the easy way: sometimes it was a bit like pulling teeth to get a straight answer; I have used what I learned and have appreciated it. And shared what's good.

I do not, and never have enjoyed the 'climate' there, nor the forms that loyalty takes there, with its attack and defense reactionism.) I was one of those who initially found ML's manner *very difficult*, almost abusive, and I told him so, very forthrightly, without malice, from a writerly, editorial perspective, that he'd used up a lifetime's allowance of !s in one post! he never saw the value of that friendly admonition, nor was willing to change his writing style. IN fact, it was more likely that he would be delighted to be told that his style had bothered someone. It wouold give him a chance to rant a bit about people getting "bent out of shape"--(always being reminded "tis your choice!") which then seemed to cool his spirits for a short while. He's had a lot of fun, at times when others were reallyt squirming. An awful lot like the way poeople with anger/abuse issues feel greatly cleansed after a blowup.

*****Edit--I think it's far easier to take ML's manner when you are re-mineralized. I see again and again, how people who are really sick are just ground into the floor, before they 'prove' through submission, their willingness to take responsibility and show "some backbone". Now that I am feeling quite well on the whole, I don't "need" the protocol the way I once felt I did. ML needs to rememeber what it feels like to be unwell. Not saying he needs to pander to people's ideas of illness and all, but a little
less glee at people's 'failings' would be seemly, perhaps.

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I came to see that his !!!!!! are a form of insanity (yes, almost everyone is insane until self-realized, it's true), likely a cover for a certain profound need to speak up, as if one were constantly being ignored. (Lots of bible-quoters have that same character trait, I've noticed.)

I, and many others actually gave ML a lot of leeway to be rather rude and tiresome, at least partly owing to Maya's (Invincible's) imperishable patience and reminders/entreaties to all that he was much nicer than he appeared. Maya, I will say again, has really put herself out there for ML, in many ways, whehter you are happy at how she left, or not. And this recent return has the same loyalty she had before, as an element. It's a wiser loyalty, is all. Call it "uncompromising compassion". ML himself can appreciate the value in such 'tough love'-- here it is being reflected for him. And, he gets a rest.

-So, anyone who's attempting to tar Maya with the brush of an 'assasin', a nay-sayer, mobster, or "big Pharma" lackey,
it just won't fly -- Not really. Saying a thing doesn't make it true. No matter how many exclamation points. (Sadly, the more !!!! the less the message gets heard/seen) The truth in fact is needs no defense. Doesn't even need to be uttered. But it's usually joyful to hear, at a certain level.

:-)

I tried some of the protocol, and found many of his suggestions very sound. The principles are rather fundamental, and are basically shared by the hygienists, as well as others. But folks who want to deify ML, should remember that he too has his teachers--people who he says choose to remain anonymous. That gives one pause to reflect, doesn't it?

But, to close this long post, the thing that is problematic is really the habitual descent into a form of abuse that spreads like a dark and sticky stain; it reads to me like the unconscious stuff that so often gets passed on from one generation to the next, unless the person ( the one here and now) makes a genuine vow to be humbled and to give up all masks and defenses. Imagine what ML's posts to others would read like without all the !!!! and the taunting manner of the slippery use of "may" and "could it be?"

Wow. It boggles the mind. Once or twice I edited one of his, just to see it without all the costuming and noise.
That's the way Maya took him for a long time, I would imagine.

Most people take (! etc.)as shouting, or mocking. Those who are 'fine' with it, are perhaps mainly resonating with either their own suppressed anger, ( big acidity/big need to alkalize) or the wish to be heard, or are just internalizing being shouted at in youth--so maybe the vibration 'fits'.

Then there are those who might have taken on a vow to see past all such illusion, and to be a catalyst for change.
For transformation. I'm a big believer in the power of tranformation. From coal to diamond is where we are ALL going, I submit.

I even rewrote his posts at times, to try to give them to others I knew who might benefit. Hard work. My mother is a retired writer/editor, and she would find his manner incredibly off-putting, and simply in dire need of editing.

* should the "messenger" ever be so highly present as to eclispe the light in the "message"? That's asking for a form of idolatry, mnethinks.

At a cetain point, one must make an effort to be less than offensive to others, if one is in the position of being a "leader". If alone in the woods, no problem! How many people have wished to send dear ones to his forum, but can't because they would be so put off--that it would amount to one's sharing "anger" with others, and calling it a gift.


Anyway, I had noticed lately, that in fact ML often seemed to write very helpful, more agreeable posts, (I told him so) but then soon after, I became aware there was clearly a long-standing debate thing going on of which I was mostly unaware. (I never go to the Debate Forums )

I now have seen Celsius was often involved in it, acting the part of the guard-dog, and some others too, who seemed to be becoming very reactive and 'gatekeeper-like' in the forum, and i saw that it was ML's insistence on visiting these other forums that started to again bring out the 'fire and brimstone' side of his character. And the repeated passages about 'fornicators..." that would be supported by others posting bible quotes.


Here's where ML's idea about two private forums started to sound good to my ear. Although, to be frank, I fail to see how one can honestly presume old testament rants might apply to the field -or activity- of "spiritual healing". This seems the height of self-delusion.

ho hum. and sigh.

The private forums (pasword-protected) do seem like the right place for those of the firm 'old guard' persuasion--such as the ones who imagine that Maya has stormed the citadel as a 'usurper'. Let them have their playing field, please, and may they know true happiness, and *the causes for that. (Most important)

I wrote this long post to clarify for others who might be open to hearing, and who might have suppressed their own thoughts, time and again, out of a real wish (and felt need) to have access to the pH knowledge ML holds.


It's the last I'm going to post on this subject. I do not share the view of some others that this period of respite is in any way damaging to ML, or to his Spirit. I wish him all the best, and even the irritation of his writing/ communicating style does not cause me any lasting feeling
of grievance.

I actually think he's quite blessed to have been
given the time away. Had he carried on, that old energy was escalating; likely there would have been that much more to wade through and un-do.


Quiet reflection is never "suffering". Rather, it's an allowing....as with "the little children". (To quote Jesus)

We need more of the spirit of these "little children" Jesus calls, (not reactive teens) around CZ.

Chiron