I'm still using the V.O. I've been using it , internally, for years. It's only as of this past spring, that I used it topically on my scalp. I've also done a heavy metal cleanse and a colon cleanse, since, so distinguishing what does what is difficult. I can definitely say that I had some success early on with the V.O. before the other cleanses, however. The addition of the cleanses also helped , IMO.