Why waste your time?...these folks are very narrow in their views(no insult)..my sister in law is a big time democrat, and she refuses to hear any argument about this cat(obama). We have had a hundred discussions about it and when she starts to lose the argument, or can't come back with anything of substance,she changes the subject. So I don't bother to much with engaging in discussions with her or anyone else who love the MESSIAH so dearly. Maybe they can be his wiping mat..but this kid refuses to.