Re: More questions about Copper

Reconnecting the posts I have questions about.


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>>>I should also add that Hg is almost done, Lead will take longer since it is bound inside the bones with thing like B.quintana but Hg is at its end.

I would be already stepped up to 1mg/lbs/dose of ALA but the Copper stuff is still a huge issue. Which is why I recommend anyone with parasite issues study both these:

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http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Treating_copper


and this: http://www.homeoint.org/books/boericmm/c/cupr.htm<<<<


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>> "Low tissue copper is frequently associated with
>> elevated Lead."

Yes, that set off some alarm bells with me too.
But don't get too strict in interpretation of any or this. IMO the key to it all is the difference between bio-Available and bio-Unavailable copper.

For simplicity sake lets call bio-Unavailable oxidized copper (OCu). After seeing what IP6 does I am a firm believer that the problem is a shortage of Cu and an excess of OCu...

I believe (I read somewhere) copper is used as the oxidizer to change Iodide storage to Iodine by the thyroid so without fresh copper your endocrine system fails yet you may be loaded with OCu...>>>

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>>>Watch the supplementation without the tools to kill the critters.

The magnesium deficiency caused by Lyme holds down Bartonella, Rickettsia and those fevers, the zinc deficiency caused by EBV and Herpes keeps that under control. Increasing zinc without the proper ratio of copper is painful...
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I don't know what my copper level is (Newport, did it show up on the SCIO for you, or how do you know?), but I'm especially interested in experimenting with the supplements Cutler is talking about to see if it makes a difference with my chronic liver function. I take IP6 already too. It makes sense that with my liver not functioning very well for some time, that oxidized copper would be an issue. (?)

Cloves have manganese, but what dosage of cloves, and is that enough for what Cutler is talking about here? And should a fresh supply of copper be taken then daily through a supplement of some sort for a fresh source while working on eliminating the oxidized?

Cutler says (pg 99)

"Many people have impaired excretion of copper. This may be genetic or acquired. Normally, 80% of copper excretion is via the bile, 16% via intestinal secretions, and 4% via urine. Biliary and intestinal secretions are ultimately excreted in the feces.

A normal person's copper half life is about 35 days. For a person who is not excreting any copper in their bile, the half life increases to about 175 days and body concentrations of copper increase about 5 fold. This can bring copper levels into the toxic range. The symptoms are usually psychiatric.

In addition to genetic problems, anything that interferes with bile secretion, such as Gallstones or other liver disease, will cause elevation of body copper.

Lipoic acid increases coppper in urine and somewhat in intestinal secretions but eliminates copper secretion in the bile. Thus for a copper toxic person lipoic acid may be helpful or harmful, and the correct measurement is fecal copper rather than urinary copper. If fecal copper increases with lipoic acid, it is helpful in clearing the body of copper, but if it decreases the LA is a hindrance and will further increase body levels.

The normal intake of copper is 2-5 mg per day of which 40-60% or 1-3 mg is absorbed. Someone who is not secreting copper in their bile needs to limit absorption to 0.2 to 0.6 mg daily to keep tissue copper within normal limits.

***Vitamin C in large amounts, zinc, and molybdenum hinder copper absorption from the intestine. Taking 10-20 mg of zinc, 250-1,000 mcg of molybdenum, 250-500 mg of calcium and 2 G of vitamin C every time you eat will greatly reduce copper absorption. Taking zinc and manganese in a ration of 20:1 will increase the urinary excretion of copper.***

Low levels of thyroid hormone increase body copper, and increased thyroid hormone as well as cortisol lower it. Ensuring that you have adequate levels of thyroid hormone and cortisol for your body's needs is important in making sure you excrete copper adequately.

Copper helps make hemoglobin, red blood cells and bone. Low copper reduces these and also leads to a reduced sense of taste.

Vitamins A, B3, B5, B6, and C antagonize the effects of copper, as does iron. Appropriate supplementation with these may reduce the toxic effects of elevated copper levels.


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