I'm breaking the fast 
Harry55
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Tomorrow is day 14 and I decided the fast isn't for me. My skin conditions and facial redness haven't budged, so I'm going to attribute these problems to liver congestion, and switch to flushing. If you think this is a bad idea, please speak now.
I would be very interested in ALL of the things I can do at the same time to dissolve/remove stones.
I know chanca piedra, gold coin grass, apple juice, and the olive oil treatment...please tell me what else to take, and how I should take it. Thanks.- Re: I'm breaking the fast icky
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MoreThis is a reply to # 99,071sorry to hear that. today is day 22 for me. i noticed much activity taking place after day 14. i suspect if the last two days are any indication, i will see even more activity after day 21. my skin conditions have improved since the second week. i also have been doing hot baths followed by a sitz bath since the first few days. in the last few days i have noticed a marked increase in liver activity, sometimes bordering on the uncomfortable. i am assuming that it is the result of some form of cleansing.
any comments on what i might be experiencing would be appreciated.
harry, i'm telling you this so that you can have a better idea what you can accomplish if you decide to tackle a fast again. a single fast or flush might not be enough to defeat your problems. it might take time. from my own experiences i can tell you that you cannot give up, even if something does not work. try something else or try it again.
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- Re: I'm breaking the fast Harry55
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MoreThis is a reply to # 99,072The reason I'm convinced that it's a liver thing is because of the decreased circulation in my hands and feet, the flushed cheeks, and the persistant skin problem. I already cleansed my bowel, so it's not that. The liver just seems to make sense to me, and the vibe I got from MH seemed to suggest that the effects of liver flushing is something that fasting could not achieve so easily without help (I couldn't really get a direct answer). Flushing while fasting just completely drained me, I need to replenish myself quickly after I flush. I'm not really being a "quitter" or anything, it's just that my symptoms seem to be more localized to some sort of liver dysfunction.
What kind of skin condition do you have icky? (like the western medicine name for it, and where is it located)
- Re: I'm breaking the fast icky
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This is a reply to # 99,074when i read MH's response to your question, i agree that it was vague but i thought that he said that it is not really necesary to liver flush while you are fasting. my personal observations are that fasting is far superior, for health, than liver flushing. i also feel that my main problems lie with my liver. i have done 6 liver flushes now and will do them when i am done with the fast. i can't imagine that all my health problems will magically disappear after i fast or flush. nor should you. this will take time and patience.
you mentioned all the things you can do to disolve and remove stones at the same time. rushing through this is, in my own experience, not the best approach to healing yourself.
as to my skin conditions....being that i don't go to doctors(although i did breakdown and see one in october for a repritory thing related to my main problems- it reminded me why i don't go to them...but that's another story) i don't have a "medical" name for it. it consists mostly of dandruff that is on my face, where my beard would grow. it also is rashes that develop on my eyebrows w/ some dandruff. also a splotchy red spot on my face that gets scaley on the right side of my nose. these symptoms are not there at all times or all at the same time. they usually "flare up" and coincide with not feeling well. in the last few months, there seems to be a correlation between parasite cleansing and this condition. which leads me to ask you if you have done a parasite cleanse? sometimes a skin condition and parasite infestation are related.- Re: I'm breaking the fast Harry55
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This is a reply to # 99,077Yes I have done parasite cleanse. If MH meant that the fast will rid of liver stones/garbage, it went right over my head. I asked in a few threads if the fast would heal liver problems the same way flushing does, and it was always an indirect answer (no offense to you MH, I really do appreciate all the help). I have already broken the fast now, so I hope that I made the right choice (Maybe it's not too late to start back up, although I'm sure that I'd be at square one right?). I will be drinking organic apple juice and taking Gold Coin Grass with Chanca Piedra and maybe milk thistle. Then I will also flush every week or so, maybe more.
My close family has some of the same problems as I do, especially my siblings, so I would attribute it to diet. I am not overweight at all, quite the opposite, so I can only assume that my continued toxemia is due to a steady release and circulation from the liver...correct me if this is wrong. Whenever I have a beer, my skin will react..we all know that alcohol goes right to the liver.
I'd like to hear what MH has to say about my situation, maybe he can encourage me to do one or the other. I'm willing to go back on the fast, but I really need some convincing on how it will help better than flushing (or in conjuction with).- Re: I'm breaking the fast icky
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This is a reply to # 99,078well, good for you to keep up the good work. no, i wouldn't go back to the fast right away. it's too late. that's ok. your intuition told you to stop. you mind gave you a reason to tell yourself, so it all works out. i was just saying that you should not discount it outright for the future. gook luck.
- Re: I'm breaking the fast Harry55
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This is a reply to # 99,079I was actually going for 40, but again, the general gist of what I got from MH's answers seemed to me that flushing is more effective for the liver. I've read about people fasting for 40 days without their skin clearing up in the other MH forum, so I concluded that fasting must not be the best way to rid of deep rooted liver waste.
- Re: I'm breaking the fast #19236
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This is a reply to # 99,080Hi Harry, I did the 40 day oj fast as instructed. Here is what happened with my skin. I had blackheads and whiteheads since I was 17, I hated it, nothing helped until I met dr. clarks works and MH and curezone online.
After about week three of the oj fast my skin peeled and blackheads in the first layer of my skin came out and disappeared, then after the 40 day fast I stayed on a super clean diet as MH books and obeynature.com recommends and my skin peeled a second time and really deeply buried blackheads and whiteheads came out of my pores and skin, then after about another month of right eating and obey nature living, my skin peeled a THIRD time, and deep pore and tissue cleaning was evident, old junk that was deeply buried in my third layer of skin came out. After that my skin became so clean and clear. With totally clear clean CLOSED pores and super smooth skin. No acne! My skin looks better now then I ever knew it could, better then when I was a teenager. All in all it took a few months of sticking with the oj fast, then a super clean diet, steams, sauna, nightly hot herb baths, herb teas, sitz bath, dewormer, oregano oil, olive leaf tea, lower bowel formula, cilantro, lemons, oranges, coconut milk, almond milk, pineapple mono dieting, et al. I think the acne is in three layers of our skin and if we have deeply buried toxins, these toxins and junk and parasites that live on the junk get released layer thru layer as we renew our skin and let the junk go out our bowels and skin via sweat,toxins can be buried deep in tissues and organs and this internal cleansing and renewal takes time application and patience. We continue to heal ourselves inside out as we obey nature and follow a clean natural program. I figured it took me decades of polluted air, polluted water, wrong eating, bad dental metal, etc to get sick, so the body needs TIME to release and detox the deeply buried old gunk.
I love dr. clark, MH and curezone as now I am able to do tons of things again I could not do for years before, because I was too toxic and weak with pain, had chronic fatigue, bad skin, migraines etc. I have ZERO physical pain now. And I recently took up boxing and kickboxing, and now that I have energy again I LOVE to exercise and go to the gym almost every day where I can sunbathe at the pool or I go walk in nature on the greenfields or around the lake in the sun or I bike ride in the sun. I can wear a short sleeves again and or a bathing suit again because my skin cleared up so beautifully and I lost the extra mucus and fat and old FM (fecal matter) that gave me a bloat and a pot belly and was auto poisoning me internally. Stick with the program and you WILL become a new you.
I wanted to give up many times and just revert back to bad habits, but I kept going and stuck to the natural as best as I could. Now I would never go back to old ways again as obeying nature works, and it gets better and better the longer we stick with it.
Good Luck to you.
J.
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- GREAT testamonial, j. #44765
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This is a reply to # 99,252i'm 61, had 'adult acne' (— like my mom and my older brother —) with deep cysts filled with pus and blood when i going thru an intensely emotional, two year affair in my early twenties. the trauma left many and deep scars and though i had my face 'razed' once, i have live with a scarred face since. i've been a vegetarian for 33 years — mostly raw, nothing refined, canned, frozen, no sugar, etc. — which is why my skin is not worse than it is. your detailed description of what all it took to get your new complexion was wonderful — that you 'did it all' for it to work,
"All in all it took a few months of sticking with the oj fast, then a super clean diet, steams, sauna, nightly hot herb baths, herb teas, sitz bath, dewormer, oregano oil, olive leaf tea, lower bowel formula, cilantro, lemons, oranges, coconut milk, almond milk, pineapple mono dieting, et al."
thanks for mentioning this old post so others, like me, who may have overlooked it could benefit. i'm not willing to have my crowns and one amalgam removed...yet...but your example will encourage me to continue to do what i am willing to do — lbb, 6 week kidney herbs, dewormer, oo & olive leaf, chinese bitters & gold coin grass, liver flushed, home-distilled water, fresh coconut & virgin coconut oil, almonds, oranges, lemons, cilantro & chlorella. sun-gazing, whole-body sun baths. nightly baths i find daunting in the summer (a refuge in the winter) but sitz baths are nice after a walk in the evening sun. i guess we keep adding things as we get stronger — by god's grace.
- Re: I'm breaking the fast #19236
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- Re: I'm breaking the fast wittlewabbitte
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This is a reply to # 99,079hello icky....
may i ask you a few questions about this oj fast?
i have a lot of health issues and since my amalgam removal 7 weeks ago, my body seems to be even more overwhelmed with toxins and such... like i have a dry cough now that wont' go away.... :((( i've done 4 liver flushes thus far, and those are great but really hard on my body at the same time i think... so i'm considering fasting, but at the same time i'm a bit scared because i'm already so underweight and so weak :( (95pounds at 5'4") is there any way to avoid losing too much weight during the fast? (can one take some olive oil and/or nuts for example, without losing the efficacy of the fast)...
also i heard that after amalgam removal u need a lot of protein, and that is why fasting isn't adviced after the amalgam removal... what are your thoughts on that....
i've done one 3 day oj fast thus far and it was surprisingly easy to do, and i felt pretty good afterwards -- but i'm still a total chicken :( and a bit concerned with the idea of a prolonged fast...
your response would be greatly appreciated...
wabbitte-
Re: I'm breaking the fast icky
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This is a reply to # 99,081gee whiz, i'm hardly a person to put so much trust in. it's awful nice of you to ask though. i guess it would be rude to not offer an opinion, so here goes.....
first, let me say that i also had my fillings out @ 9 years ago. it's hard to get a good feel for your own wellness when after having them out if you did it to overcome a health issue in the first place. i have no idea if a fast is the right thing to do right after having this work done. conversely, it could be the perfect time to do it. as i'm sure there are no studies concerning this, i guess it's a mute point although with all the mercury potentially drifting through your body, it would make sense to get it out as soon as possible.
loosing weight...i've read that in many cases, people who are underweight at the begining of a fast have actually gained weight. i don't know if this is true. i haven't had that problem myself(i've never been underweight). you really should ask MH if adding oil or nuts to the fast will affect the results. common sense tells me it would but your are also not in a race here. it's ok to have better results at a slower rate than no results at all.
i hadn't heard that fasting after removal is not recomended or that protein is good afterwards so i can't adress either of those issues.
i do think fasting has great benefits to offer. maybe you should continue doing small fasts with much protein in your diet in between. liver flushing too maybe. i do believe in hot baths to get rid of toxins. you can't go wrong with that. i've just started experimenting with the sitz bath. interesting.
there are many avenues one can take to regain their health. i've taken a few. removing my fillings was beneficial, without doubt but it did not solve all my health problems. i hope it serves you well. one other thing i can recomend is seeing some sort of chiropractor. i think it is very important to be properly adjusted.
trust your intuition and good luck.
- Re: I'm breaking the fast wittlewabbitte
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This is a reply to # 99,090thank you icky.... i really appreciate your detailed response :) wish you much luck with your current fast... btw, is this your very first fast? or did you have many little mini fasts before this one? what is the most difficult thing about the fast so far...?
curious wabbitte- Re: I'm breaking the fast icky
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This is a reply to # 99,108i have done the master cleanse fast many times before this(a lemonade fast for 10 days) and did a couple of short oj fasts(3 days). the hardest thing,in the past, was the first few days.(i got used to that.) but on this long fast i guess it was not feeling too good about day 20. that's passed now. good luck back at ya'.
- Re: I'm breaking the fast icky
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- Re: I'm breaking the fast wittlewabbitte
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- wabbitte, here's a suggestion & ques... #22194
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This is a reply to # 99,081Hi wabbitte & all,
Hope you don't mind if I relay my experience with the dry cough. I used to wake up with a very dry cough (& some during the day). When I cut my coffee consumption wayyyyy down and replaced it with water, the cough practically disappeared. I was drinking about 64 ozs./day. Although I still don't have a water distiller, I am totally convinced distilled water IS the way to go. Anyway, you might give it a try and see if it helps.
About your amalgam removals, did you have composite replacements? And did you do any detox protocols after your removal? I personally think cilantro is just excellent for removing the toxins out of the tissues. Have you tried fresh cilantro? There's a cilantro pesto recipe (do a curezone search) that is wonderful. But a word of caution, you really need to make sure your kidneys and bowels are in top shape as you definitely want the toxins to keep moving out.
About the protein, it's probably B 12 & folic acid (which may be found in protein sources--I'm thinking that B12 is sometimes a deficiency with vegetarians). And if I'm not mistaken, alfalfa contains all the vitamins & lots of minerals, maybe an organic capsulated herb would help.
And one more quick observation. I am also about your size and here lately seem to feel tired and weak a lot. Today was one of those days. About 5pm I was going to force myself to go outside as the weather was so nice and when I came in at sunset (about 8:30), it just dawned on me that I was feeling bad when I went out, but being outside I felt really good and hated to come in. Maybe it was because I was doing something I enjoy (yardwork) or maybe just the fresh air and sunshine. Maybe both.
And you have encouraged me to try the 3 day fast. Thank you.
Betty- Re: wabbitte, here's a suggestion & ... wittlewabbitte
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This is a reply to # 99,100**** hello Betty...
Hope you don't mind if I relay my experience with the dry cough. I used to wake up with a very dry cough (& some during the day). When I cut my coffee consumption wayyyyy down and replaced it with water, the cough practically disappeared. I was drinking about 64 ozs./day. Although I still don't have a water distiller, I am totally convinced distilled water IS the way to go. Anyway, you might give it a try and see if it helps.
****thanks for your input...the thing is, i have already totally abandoned coffee for several months now... and drinking mostly distilled water and at the very least filtered water...
About your amalgam removals, did you have composite replacements?
**** yes i did. diamond crown
And did you do any detox protocols after your removal? I personally think cilantro is just excellent for removing the toxins out of the tissues. Have you tried fresh cilantro? There's a cilantro pesto recipe (do a curezone search) that is wonderful.
****yes i've been taking selenium, chlorella, superfood and did make cilantro pesto which was delicious...
But a word of caution, you really need to make sure your kidneys and bowels are in top shape as you definitely want the toxins to keep moving out.
****i take a lot of ground up flax seeds with my shake as well as LBB, and have regular bm every day...
About the protein, it's probably B 12 & folic acid (which may be found in protein sources--I'm thinking that B12 is sometimes a deficiency with vegetarians). And if I'm not mistaken, alfalfa contains all the vitamins & lots of minerals, maybe an organic capsulated herb would help.
**** thanks.. i will keep that in mind...
And one more quick observation. I am also about your size
**** oh so glad to meet another too skinny person :)
and here lately seem to feel tired and weak a lot. Today was one of those days. About 5pm I was going to force myself to go outside as the weather was so nice and when I came in at sunset (about 8:30), it just dawned on me that I was feeling bad when I went out, but being outside I felt really good and hated to come in.
**** yes i get that way too, if the weather is nice and i'm not too sick... but lately i've just been more sick... perhaps it's becuase i did my fourth flush a few days ago and i still had some cold symptoms... i coudlnmt' wait until i had NO cold symptoms since they just DON'T GO AWAY :(( and i know my liver is still shot.... i got lots of big stones out, and got totally exhausted... and my coughing also got worse :(
Maybe it was because I was doing something I enjoy (yardwork) or maybe just the fresh air and sunshine. Maybe both.
****i love the sun and the fresh air too... lately it's been very dreary and cloudy and cold here though... that hasn't helped me at all :(
And you have encouraged me to try the 3 day fast. Thank you.
****i wil have to warn you though that i lost more weight during the fast (which is why i didn't continue)... i was down to like 92 pounds :(
****may i ask if you already have had your amalgam fillings out? and when? and what is your mercury removal protocol apart from cilantro? have you tried essiac tea? how about lapacho tea? what are your symptoms in general ?
regards,
wabbitte- Re: wabbitte, here's a suggestion & ... icky
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This is a reply to # 99,109one more thing, i believe that when you fast, you imediately "loose" water weight and possibly mucous weight that you gain back when you start eating again.
- Re: wabbitte, here's a suggestion & ... wittlewabbitte
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This is a reply to # 99,112i see... so u often lose the "most weight" during the first few days...?
once i went down to like 90 (after a five day dr. schulze kidney cleanse) and that really freaked me out cos i really didn't want to dip into the 80's category :( !!!
but i did get back up to 95 within a few days once i started eating again.... :)
does the weight "stabilise" at all during the fast, and if so, at what point did u find it stabilizing for you so far?
also is there any warning signs during the fast that tells you taht you better break the fast...?
i know that if u have no bm for one day, you should do an enema...
and to take lbb every day to make sure your are regular... may i ask how many lbb capsules you are taking per day at this point?
thank you!
a very light wabbitte :p
- Re: wabbitte, here's a suggestion & ... icky
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This is a reply to # 99,129does the weight "stabilise" at all during the fast, and if so, at what point did u find it stabilizing for you so far?
i have to admit that i never really paid attention to all that. you see, i have always been a wee bit chunky so loosing weight during a fast has always been a boon for me. i'm not the type to ever actually weigh myself. the difference is this fast though. i'm not sure exactly how much i weighed at the begining. i think i weighed about 170 but not sure. now i'm down to 155. my wife is a bit concerned because i was probably up to about 200 in january. my average is probably about 185/190. so far, i haven't stabilized. i just keep dropping.
also is there any warning signs during the fast that tells you taht you better break the fast...?
other than the aformentioned lack of poopies(do i have kids or what?) i believe hunger is the main reason. or intuition. gotta throw it back to MH on that one. is he still MH or do we call him barefoot herbalist now? or BH?
may i ask how many lbb capsules you are taking per day at this point?
enough to put all of MH's kids thru college.....
just kidding. i take 2 when i wake up, then 2 during the day and 2 at night before bed. i've been taking the dewormer once a week so on that day and the next i have to have more. hope all this helps.- Re: wabbitte, here's a suggestion & ... wittlewabbitte
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This is a reply to # 99,161****thank you so much icky... this definitely helped :)
is he still MH or do we call him barefoot herbalist now? or BH?
****hehehe.... i just addressed him "dear barefoot herbalist" cos that's how he signed himself... :D
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